2nd try....
> On 28. May 2020, at 10:38, Christian Kaufmann <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Dear NomCom,
> Dear Community,
>
> The independence and stability of the RIPE Chair role is the highest priority
> for the RIPE NCC Executive Board. For this reasons we will stick to the
> documented and agreed process, this said let me share some more thoughts of
> us.
>
> We appointed Daniel as a non voting NomCom Chair as he knows the process:-),
> but also was not running himself. As he is non voting but just chairing and
> facilitating we did not perceive this as a conflict of interest. The NCC is
> running many services for the community so we did not see this any different.
> We did not foresee that NCC staff would apply for the role but then again we
> have an independent NomCom in which we trust and the process is not
> forbidding this either.
>
> Our second task is to review if the process was followed, not who was elected
> and why and we are still happy to fulfill this task.
>
> Regarding the renumeration, this topic came up and the board promised to
> financially support the chair/vice-chair construct if the candidates wishes
> so to ensure their independence.
> We also made clear we do not want another MD type person to manage, so even
> if we support the RIPE Chair we do not want to manage the yearly performance
> or salary increase of this position as this clearly wouldn’t go well with our
> goal of an independent Chair. A suggestion we started to discuss, but which
> is not yet defined is to offer a fixed salary for 5 years and a “performance
> review” executed by the community if they wish so.
> This salary would then be earmarked and reserved so nobody can touch it or
> change it, means the independence of the Chair does not get compromised.
> We as the board believe this should be a solid enough construct and do not
> want to create a RIPE Community B.V. Or any other legal body to facility a
> potentially salary payment. But then again this is up to the community and
> not to us.
>
> We have heard and read the comments here on the list and sympathies with many
> of them and there is clearly more work to be done for round 2.
> This said we have full trust in the NomCom and the process and will do our
> part in it.
>
> Best regards on behalf of the NCC Executive Board,
>
> /ck
>
> Sent from a mobile device at the end of the galaxy...
>
>
>
>> On 26. May 2020, at 22:32, Franziska Lichtblau <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Daniel, hi folks,
>>
>> writing this with my PC chair hat on.
>>
>> After giving everyone time to express their thoughts on the matter I
>> can confirm that we have consensus within the PC that the NomCom still
>> has our support. Jan, our liason member in the NomCom has kept us in
>> the loop and confirmed that the process which was agreed upon by the
>> RIPE community was followed.
>>
>> Yes, the process we designed has flaws, but we do not feel them to be
>> substantial enough to restart the process. The candidates themselves
>> seem to have the general support of the community and the flaws within
>> the process do not outweigh that in our opinion.
>>
>> As the concerns per se are valid, we should make it a priority task to
>> the next RIPE (vice)chair to make sure this discussion takes place and
>> the policy is adapted so that the concerns get addressed.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Franziska
>>
>> (RIPE PC Chair)
>>
>>>> On Mon, 2020-05-25 at 16:44 +0200, Daniel Karrenberg wrote:
>>> Dear Friends and Colleagues of the RIPE community,
>>>
>>> If your feeling is something like "Oh no, not another long message
>>> from
>>> the NomCom! I wish they would just get on with it." you do not need
>>> to
>>> read further. It would certainly help us if you explicitly told us
>>> briefly to "just get on with it".
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>> ------------------
>>>
>>> From:
>>>
>>> Daniel Karrenberg - Chair of the RIPE 2020 Nominating Committee.
>>>
>>>
>>> To:
>>>
>>> Christian Kaufmann - Chair of the RIPE NCC Executive Board,
>>>
>>> Franziska Lichtblau - Chair of the RIPE Program Committee,
>>>
>>> Hans Petter Holen - RIPE Chair ad-interim & Chair of the RIPE WG
>>> Chairs,
>>>
>>> RIPE Community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Christian, Franziska, Hans Petter, Friends and Colleagues,
>>>
>>> The process to select two persons to succeed Hans Petter Holen as
>>> RIPE
>>> chair has been under way since September 2019. The NomCom has worked
>>> diligently to run the process that has been agreed by the community
>>> and
>>> codified in ripe-727 and ripe-728. We have called for nominees,
>>> canvassed when we had only one nomination and received four further
>>> nominations. We have dealt with the unforeseen withdrawal of Hans
>>> Petter. We have recognised the increased urgency that Hans Petter's
>>> resignation as RIPE Chair puts on the process by slightly tightening
>>> our
>>> time line without compromising on running an exemplary process. We
>>> have
>>> held three formal and two informal meetings, talked to the nominees
>>> by
>>> teleconference and received substantial input about all nominees from
>>> a
>>> diverse set of people in the community. We have kept the community
>>> informed by announcements on the RIPE mailing list, by providing a
>>> dedicated blog, by publishing complementary material on RIPE Labs,
>>> by
>>> reporting to the community plenary at RIPE80 and by talking about
>>> our
>>> work whenever the opportunity presented itself.
>>>
>>> Last week, during RIPE80, there were some calls from within the RIPE
>>> community to stop this process and start over. There also have been
>>> suggestions to issue another call for nominations and then continue
>>> as
>>> before. Since our mandate does not extend beyond executing the
>>> process
>>> along an agreed time line we are extremely reluctant to deviate from
>>> this unless we observe a clear and strong consensus in the community
>>> to
>>> deviate for the sake of pragmatism.
>>>
>>> We have discussed this extensively and decided against changing the
>>> planned time line because we see no such consensus. We also
>>> considered
>>> the consequences: Deviating from the plan at this time would put
>>> Hans
>>> Petter into the difficult position of having to work a new and
>>> demanding
>>> job next to filling the RIPE Chair ad interim role. This is too much
>>> to
>>> ask of anyone even without taking into account the recent discussion
>>> on
>>> ripe-chair-discuss. Hans Petter has told us that he accepted the
>>> ad-interim role on the assumption that we will finish our work on
>>> time
>>> and that he will likely have to resign if we take significantly
>>> longer
>>> than planned.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately during the RIPE 80 community plenary there has been no
>>> discussion that provides further guidance to us. It is difficult for
>>> us
>>> to assess whether this was due to the virtual format of the meeting,
>>> widespread agreement with what we have done so far or any other
>>> reason.
>>> We certainly expected those who had called for changes to the
>>> process
>>> earlier during the week to speak up and a discussion to take place
>>> that
>>> would provide further guidance for us. This has not happened.
>>>
>>> We have therefore decided to briefly pause our process and not to
>>> start
>>> candidate selection after RIPE 80 as originally planned. We have
>>> continued with preparations but have not started discussing the
>>> nominees
>>> among ourselves yet.
>>>
>>> We ask the RIPE NCC Board, the PC, the WG Chairs and the community
>>> at
>>> large to give us timely guidance on how to proceed. The question
>>> before
>>> us is whether we still have the support of the community to continue
>>> with the agreed process and time line or whether there is consensus
>>> in
>>> the community that we should do something different. We need this
>>> guidance now so that we can keep the delay in the time line as short
>>> as
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> We also ask the community as a whole to support us once we do
>>> proceed.
>>>
>>> Daniel Karrenberg,
>>> Chair,
>>> RIPE 2020 Nominating Committee
>>>
>>
>>
