I'm perfectly aware of the difference between RIPE NCC and RIPE. Unfortunately, 
is not that well understood in the other RIRs.

I think even if my wording was not perfect, it was clear to be understood:

Members of RIPE NCC (and other RIRs), are also part of the RIPE community. To 
be part of this community you just need to participate. Decision of the RIPE 
community, in terms of policy making, affect the members of RIPE NCC and all 
the other RIRs. However, most of the RIPE NCC (and other RIRs members) do not 
consider "part of their job" to participate in the policy making process of 
RIPE (and other RIRs).

And to respond on the other part: Believe me, trying to coerce or harass me 
will not work, on the other way around.



El 9/2/21 14:30, "ripe-list en nombre de Jim Reid" <[email protected] 
en nombre de [email protected]> escribió:



    > On 9 Feb 2021, at 11:33, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list 
<[email protected]> wrote:
    > 
    > it may seem that ARIN and RIPE have more active participation, but if you 
look at it as % of membership, we are actually "worst" than other RIRs!

    RIPE != RIPE NCC. RIPE doesn’t have a membership. And it’s not an RIR.

    You’re right that participation levels are low but there is no practical 
way to improve that. If there was, it would have been done. We can’t force 
people to post to the lists or come to meetings or submit policy proposals. 
This is a much, much wider problem in society. Countries can’t even get enough 
of their citizens to vote in elections.

    > A few weeks ago, I was already considering to send a new policy proposal 
to make some other changes in the PDP. I will start working on that

    I think you need to pause for a few months and then think *very* carefully 
before proceeding Jordi. You also need to pay attention to the advice that you 
appear to have previously ignored: for instance the need for clear problem 
statements. You seem to think you have given a clear problem statement(s). 
Nobody else does.





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