Mirjam, Niall, WG Chairs,

Thank you for sharing your minutes about the Appeals Review and PDP Evolution. As far as PDP appeals are concerned I have the impression that the discussion is at the wrong level. We seem to be trying to tweak the procedure without fully recognising some significant shortcomings:

- Appeals require a large amount of community resources.
- The process involves too many people.
- The process involves people who have not consciously signed up for it, e.g. all WG chairs. - The process involves significant number of people who feel they have to recuse themselves.
- Documentation and Openness of the process leave to be desired.

Trying to apply incremental improvements to the existing procedure will not solve these significant shortcomings. Therefore I suggest to make more fundamental changes that do address these shortcomings. Here are three generic suggestions:

1) There should be a higher threshold to make an appeal because appeals are costly to the community.

2) Appeals should be handled by a small number of people who commit to handling it properly within a defined time line because someone has to take responsibility.

3) Appeals should be fully and transparently documented from the first submission until the conclusion, because this is the RIPE standard.

I have some implementation ideas already, similar but not identical to the RIPE NCC arbitration procedure. However before I get to those I would like to have some feedback on the general idea.

Best

Daniel
Full disclosure: RIPE Participant since RIPE 0 and NCC staff from the beginning.

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