Hi,

Afaik, just the dutch court system, if anyone wants to enter that path.......

Carlos


On Thu, 25 Nov 2021, Cynthia Revström via ripe-list wrote:

Or maybe I am mistaken and we actually have RIPE PDP courts and police to 
enforce these laws and I have just missed them.
-Cynthia

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:42 PM Cynthia Revström <[email protected]> wrote:
      Can you please stop calling it law?It is NOT a law!

-Cynthia

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:41 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
<[email protected]> wrote:

      That?s my point, we are actually writing ?our law?

       

       

      El 25/11/21 13:39, "ripe-list en nombre de Cynthia Revström via ripe-list" 
<[email protected] en nombre de [email protected]> escribió:

 

But this is not law, it is a procedural document, and procedural documents can 
include suggestions even if national laws often don't.

 

The argument that it can't contain suggestions just because normal national 
laws often don't, is extremely silly.

 

-Cynthia

 

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:36 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
<[email protected]> wrote:

      That?s my point, we are actually writing ?our law?

       

       

       

      Saludos,

      Jordi

      @jordipalet

       

 

 

El 25/11/21 13:34, "Cynthia Revström" <[email protected]> escribió:

 

Yes but this is NOT law as Sander said, we are not writing a law here.

This is a procedural document in a community, not a law.

 

-Cynthia

 

On Thu, Nov 25, 2021 at 1:30 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list 
<[email protected]> wrote:

      Hi Sander,

      Just count how many proposals have reached consensus even if they have 
not got a previous discussion in the list. Is a matter of numbers.

      Law != suggestions, law must be strict and avoid as much as possible 
subjective interpretations.


      El 25/11/21 13:17, "ripe-list en nombre de Sander Steffann" 
<[email protected] en nombre de [email protected]> escribió:

          Jordi,

          > 4) The text about the "idea" is wrong and untrue. Past experience 
doesn't show that.

          No, *your* past behaviour doesn't show that. You just dumping policy 
proposals on a mailing list without discussing the idea first is probably one 
of the reasons why this paragraph is included, and I
      STRONGLY support it.

          > There have been many policy proposals that didn't followed that process and 
they are actual policies. The PDP is a set of rules, strict rules of a process, not 
"rules and suggestions". We can't mix
      rules and suggestions in a formal PDP text.

          Yes we can, we are not writing law.

          Cheers,
          Sander


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