Phil,

i think this venue is appropriate.  good idea to move the discussion.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53718

i just want to say that i base what i say off of my experiences and
observations, if i am wrong or making an erroneous assumption, which is
very possible, then my bad.  but honestly, i think i am right on what i
am saying here, and i would like you to show me how i am wrong.

Philip Meyer;350168 Wrote: 
> >here's what freedb says about comps btw:
> >
> >> *6. When submitting a sampler or compilation, you should include
> the
> >> track-artist in the track-name, using the syntax "artist /
> track-title"
> >> and set the CD-artist to "Various"*
> >
> >now, i don't see anything there or on their site about TPE2, but
> >obviously they intend to mismatch TPE1 on comps.
> >
> No, they are not saying that at all.  They don't mention album artist,
> band or TPE2 at all.

thats EXACTLY what i said.

but they [freedb] do mention track artists for comps.  i use EAC and
mp3, and it does it just as they describe.

i made a screenshot of what EAC did when i ripped one song from a comp
just now, and then played it with winamp, to show how winamp autotags
it.  see the attachment.

notice how EAC has left TPE2 blank, but put the artist info in TPE1. 
notice how winamp puts "Various Artists" into TPE2 when i autotag.

Philip Meyer;350168 Wrote: 
> i.e. This backs up what I keep saying, and which is my experience, that
> tagging sources do not set album artist, and tend to use totally
> different frigs to bypass the whole issue, such that it is not an
> issue.

that just isn't true.  what mainstream app isn't setting TPE2?

winamp absolutely DOES set TPE2 to be album artist.  (and it uses
gracenote, aka CDDB afaict)

i use winamp to do this ALL THE TIME.  again, see the screenshot.

if somehow winamp is doing this without using gracenote on hundreds of
albums for me, and doing it well i might add, i'd love to know how.

Philip Meyer;350168 Wrote: 
> What (6) means is that there is no compilation tag submission, and that
> for each song the track artist should appear in the song title, and the
> artist name set to "Various".  That is horrid.

unless somehow i am missing something huge and am just being an idiot,
(has happened before), you are wrong.  i mean, what else can i say?

what do you thik the track artist is?  TPE1.  what do you think the cd
artist is?  TPE2.  not by spec, but by defacto standard.

what you are describing is an incorrect reading of what it is saying. 
what i said is how it works in practice.  again, refer to the
screenshot.

when i use EAC to rip, (do you use EAC and rip to mp3?), it does
EXACTLY what it says it does.

it puts the track artist in as the artist in TPE1.  it leaves TPE2
blank.

winamp, via i can only assume gracenote, then fills in TPE2, as does
WMP, itunes, and many other apps.  of course, they would do so from the
start if you ripped with them, (or so i would assume).  they definitely
do it when auto-tagging, so i don't know why they wouldn't when
ripping.

Philip Meyer;350168 Wrote: 
> 
> >so what you said about gracenote was wrong at least vis a vis winamp
> No, I was not wrong about Gracenote; their website has a search
> facility.  I looked up the data for an album.
> 
> We're off topic - I'm not going to respond to your other thread
> comments here.  I'm happy to move to discuss if you want to continue.
> 
> Phil

come on, i went to the site too...  they give you just a SMALL amount
of the info they have at the website.  its not the same thing, (and i
think you know that).


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