In my case, as I said, I'm pretty sure disk I/O is the bottleneck, not 
the LAN. and the large transfer I am talking about is RSYNC backing up 
/var/snd one a week, which I have tamed using command line options.

> *The LAN it's connected to is part of your airchain*.
>
> *You have to treat it that way*.
Absolutely agree.
> 1) Is there anything on that physical switch besides the Rivendell
> servers and workstations?
NOPE, and there shouldn't be.
> 2) Do you have dual Ethernets in each machine?
In the machines, yes, but currently I do not have a redundant network, 
it's part of the plan though.

> 3) Is that switch on its own long-runtime UPS or protected tech power?
Yes.
> 4) Are the Ethernet cables a different color?  (Usually, red is reserved
> for your unfirewalled public IP connection, but it's probably still the
> best choice, here.  Or magenta, if you can find it.)

OK, Guilty here, but I agree with the principle. I used what we had 
laying around though. should change them out someday...

> There is,
> I have found, a tendency to forget that network engineers spent as much
> time learning our trade as you studio and RF engineers did learning yours,
> and we can't pick yours up in 6 months anymore than you can pick up ours.

I take no offense here, it's true to a degree. I personally am an Audio 
engineer first, Computers/networks second and RF third (a distant third 
at that)...But I recognize that and don't pretend o be an expert where 
I'm not. sometimes we end up being the expert in the eyes of management 
though (because we know more than they do). I don't hesitate to warn 
them when theyre asking me to work beyond my expertise, I"ll do it, I"ll 
learn what I need to, but I at least tell them that. We area non profit 
so hiring some one else to do it s usually not an option.


Nathaniel C. Steele
Assistant Chief Engineer/Technical Director
WTRM-FM / TheCrossFM

On 2/25/2013 11:22 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Brooks Whiteford" <[email protected]>
>> If you're finding dropouts are common during big data transfers, perhaps a
>> new network switch is in order. We didn't have a lot of cash to spend, but
>> an enterprise grade Cisco switch has made network issues a thing of the
>> past.
> The implications underneath this point to something that's always sort of
> irritated me.
>
> <rant>
> I've only worked in a live-to-air facility once; a cable
> TV sales network.  But even there, in the truly miserable, amateur plant
> I got handed, I always treated the air path as sacred, and did everything
> I could to make it as reliable as possible.
>
> If you're running Rivendell live-to-air (and by this, I mean that R proper
> is playing live to air, not that you're not in full-automation mode)...
>
> *The LAN it's connected to is part of your airchain*.
>
> *You have to treat it that way*.
>
> People are shaking their heads at me now, but it appears that this is
> *not* a message from Captain Obvious:
>
> 1) Is there anything on that physical switch besides the Rivendell
> servers and workstations?
>
> 2) Do you have dual Ethernets in each machine?
>
> 3) Is that switch on its own long-runtime UPS or protected tech power?
>
> 4) Are the Ethernet cables a different color?  (Usually, red is reserved
> for your unfirewalled public IP connection, but it's probably still the
> best choice, here.  Or magenta, if you can find it.)
>
> I understand that part of the point is that Rivendell is "free", but free
> means as little here -- or less -- than it does in any other environment
> where you can get FOSS software to replace commercial stuff.  There is,
> I have found, a tendency to forget that network engineers spent as much
> time learning our trade as you studio and RF engineers did learning yours,
> and we can't pick yours up in 6 months anymore than you can pick up ours.
>
> [ On re-reading, that sounds unnecessarily combative, but I can't think
> of a better way to phrase it; please don't take it personally, Any Given
> Reader. :-} ]
>
> The biggest offender here, amusingly, is Broadcast Engineering magazine,
> which regularly publishes IP networking articles which were clearly
> written by people who don't have the first (or occasionally, second or
> third) clue what they're talking about, and mislead their broadcast
> engineer readers into thinking they've become experts.
>
> Well, perhaps it's slightly easier to pick up the first 30% of network
> engineering than it is RF engineering, but that last 70% is critical.
>
> But I don't mean to go off on a </rant> or anything.  :-)
>
> Cheers,
> -- jr 'apologies to Fred for the noise' a

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