Dan,
I do agree, like most of you, that peak normalization is not a good
volume balancer along the whole catalog. Nevertheless it's a simple
strategy in avoiding clipping.
I think that many Rivendell users kept the default -12 dB peak
normalization, without tuning this value according to the loudness of
the song.
I am far from being an expert on this field, but I think that once the
risk of clipping has been avoided, a good 'modus operandi' would be
leveling the catalog volume according the loudness, and in particular
with the Ebu128 standard.
Considering I have already imported some thousands of tracks, all with
the default -12 norm, I was thinking of using the gain value in the
cut table to pimp a bit those tracks with high dynamics which suffered
from the peak normalization more than others.
Can you think it is a good strategy? If I am not wrong only values in
the range of +/- 6dB are accepted in that field.

Alessio

2014-02-16 21:10 GMT+01:00 Fred Gleason <[email protected]>:
> On Feb 16, 2014, at 14:26 27, Dan Mills <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Looks like I might be once again working in broadcast in the not too
>> distant future (Mostly SDI video toys rather then audio this time), so
>> I thought I had better re up, life happened as it so often does....
>
> Hey Dan, welcome back!
>
>
>> Fred, would you take a patch to make the normalization use the R.128
>> loudness estimation method rather then the rather simple minded
>> measure it uses at present, it should make for much more even loudness
>> across cuts? The spec does not look hard to implement, but it would
>> really benefit from the meter having a Loudness unit mode as well as
>> VU.
>> This would among other things make for much better leveling between
>> compressed music and speech cuts.
>>
>> I think I can cook up a measurement code that can be included in the
>> source so removing the library dependencies issue.
>
> It sounds good.  Does this mean that we'd wind up with compliant meters as 
> well?  That'd be sweet.
>
>
>> I figure an extra entry in the cuts table with the computed LU value,
>> and probably a target level in the groups table so that different
>> things can be trimmed to slightly different average loudness levels
>> (Naughty, but someone is going to want to go there).
>
> Is there a reason we shouldn't keep the current normalization target scheme 
> (a system-wide default, with the ability to override that on a one-off basis)?
>
> Cheers!
>
>
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