I believe you misunderstood me, John.
While in fact it's a good idea to be working with the current version if you're
starting out from scratch, that isn't the issue I was discussing. What I was
talking about was people with Linux experience wanting to do their first
Rivendell install /on the Linux distribution they know/. That seems like a good
idea, but in practice it actually isn't.
While you probably want to end up on the distribution you're intimately
familiar with when you get ready to go to production, you're better off doing
your initial installs on the 'factory supported' distribution for the reasons I
mentioned.
Cheers,
- jra
On November 5, 2014 5:06:11 PM EST, John Anderson <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Tue, 2014-11-04 at 11:47 -0500, Jay Ashworth wrote:
>> If you're going to try Rivendell out for the first time, as a toy, or
>> as a deployment candidate for your facility, I have one really strong
>
>> suggestion to make to you:
>>
>> Even if you have a compelling reason to want to deploy it on the
>Linux
>> you're most familiar with, or that someone has recommended... do your
>very
>> first installation on The OS Fred Uses, whatever that is at the time.
>
>
>Hi Jay,
>
>While I will agree with 100% of what you say, there are a few thoughts
>I'd like to put out there. I do agree that staying with the current
>version is the best, and there is usually help that you can get if you
>have problems. The current version, also is a little bit pickier on
>hardware, and gives you a whole lot of choices, or options to install
>that some folks may find difficult. (even though the install says to
>install the standalone if it's you first experience!)
>
>I think if you are a broadcaster, or someone with some knowledge and
>experience, the broadcast appliance is the way to go. For a bunch of
>total newbies, LPFM'ers and some just looking for a jukebox, the
>pre-packaged old version of RRAbuntu seems a might easier..
>
>(i can feel the flames starting now)
>
>>
>> If you're new, you're guaranteed to have some problems, and they can
>come
>> from one of three places:
>>
>> 1) I'm not familiar with Rivendell yet
>> 2) Rivendell has problems on this particular distribution
>> 3) Rivendell has bugs
>>
>> Fred's pretty good at eliminating 3), and you can't really do much
>about
>> 1) on your first trip out... but 2) is pretty easy to eliminate, and
>why not?
>>
>
>
>You're right, out of the box, Rivendell can be daunting, but you really
>have to ask the question WHY. Also, Keep in mind that Fred/Paravel
>does
>not support anything but the current version, which is the appliance,
>although I do see him chime in with answers more often than not.
>
>
>The first question I ask, is if the user knows what a traffic system
>is,
>because if they don't, they really don't seem to be Rivendell's target
>user. Of course, I am not speaking for anyone but myself, but if you
>try and set up Rivendell, without basic knowledge of radio, and how the
>different parts come together, it's going to appear really difficult,
>because you don't know what's expected, and you are not familiar with
>what the software is supposed to do.
>
>Various distributions, this goes without saying, as one big fear is I
>don't understand Linux. While I agree that you don't have to
>understand
>it to operate a running version of Rivendell, trying to set a version
>up
>from scratch, is another story. So here, we agree, the only difference
>is what's in your hardware scrap pile. The version two appliance
>requires 1 gig ram, at least a 300 gig hard drive, etc, a lot of people
>have this, but a whole lot may not. What if you're stuck with 32 bit
>system, and an 80 gig hard drive, the new version is out, and we
>recently saw comments from a user, whose hardware was just the
>opposite,
>as it was "too new".
>
>bugs, yea, but what doesn't, and you have to admit, they are fixed
>fast,
>but keep in mind, we are talking about newbie starters, who just want
>to
>see what the program does, and if it works for them. The would'nt know
>a
>bug...if it...well, you know....
>
>
>> Once you have it running, and you understand it a little better, then
>you
>> can do your production install on the distro you like, and at least
>> you will be able to distinguish between problems caused by those
>three
>> sources a bit better.
>
>Once you figure it out, and to use it in a production environment, you
>are flat best to run the current supported version, if you can.
>Certainly there are folks out there (Alban, for example), who have a
>provide an alternate version for those folks who like that distro, I
>keep a version of RRAbunu up and running, since one of my clients uses
>that version. I would be hard pressed to upgrade that version without
>his work, and folks who start with RRabuntu do have an upgrade path.
>But the point is they have a simple plug and play system, with demo's
>that anyone can use to set up a working Rivendell system in 30 minutes
>or less, without any knowledge at all, which for certain not critical
>users, seems like a better way to become familiar with the program.
>The
>will find out soon enough about the improvements, and either upgrade,
>or
>migrate to the "supported system"
>
>
>>
>> Plus, it's easier to get support for your questions in the first
>round
>> if you're running What Fred Runs. (I say it that was cause I forget
>what
>> it is these days.. :-)
>>
>> And you really shouldn't be planning to promote your first install to
>> production anyway, so who cares what Linux it's on? :-)
>>
>> This is a recording.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- jra
>>
>
>ditto...., and ducking!
>
>ja
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