I don't mind XOTcl at all, except it is IMO a monster to learn where Snit is much more Tcl'ish. I wouldn't care either way though. If someone did something in XOTcl I would learn it just to use Tcl in a web context.
>-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:rivet- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Damon >Courtney >Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 12:57 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: The state of Rivet? > > Believe me when I say that there is nothing I would love more than >something to get excited about in the Tcl community. I continue to use >Tcl for most all of my projects because I love it so much. I've gotten >so used to the things that Tcl does so well that it's hard for me to use >another language that lacks those features. Of course, it's been a >while since I did any web development, which is an area where Tcl has, >unfortunately, fallen behind the rest of the world. > > I really think XOTcl is the best OO framework though. It would be >really easy to write a SNIT wrapper on top of it but still provide the >inheritance OO model the rest of the world is used to. A really good >web framework (with good AJAX integration) would do wonders for the Tcl >community, I think. > > Remember, hardly anyone (outside of Japan) used Ruby before Rails >came along. Even though Ruby had been around for a long time. Rails >gave it a new lease on life. The web is where all the programming is >these days. We have a unique position to make something great in that >arena, but it takes hands and minds. Most of the ones on this project >have given up and moved on. > >D > > >Hicks, Robert wrote: >> The problem with most of the current ones is they suck when running under >CGI. Catalyst (Perl), Mason (Perl), RoR (Ruby) all have poor performance under >CGI and that is where you are going to get most ISP hosting companies to help >you. If they don't have to much about with Apache but just install >Tcl+tcllib+whatever they are more likely to do so. >> >> So maybe coming from the bottom end (CGI and FCGI) would help. I have heard >and read that FCGI is getting more of the Apache teams attention these days. >You could marry Tcl+Snit+ORM into a framework and that would be pretty nice. >RoR is OO and that is where you are getting people. At least with Snit you can >give them a delegation model (which should work pretty well in a web >environment). >> >> It has to be easy to install, easy to come up to speed on, and at least >excite the current Tcl community into helping in various ways. >> >> Robert >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
