> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill
> Cunningham
> Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [RLUG] NV Sate Fair
>
>
>
> Jay,
>
> I agree with you with the Debian thing - I only suggested
> Mandrake as they have recently pledged support for years to
> come. However the hardware support in Debian is not up to
> par with those in other distros. I think we probably should
> take stock in what they need as opposed to proposing
> solutions for solutions sake. I'm of the simple approach is
> the best.
>
> Perhaps finding out what they really need would be the
> first step in determining what distro to use. What hardware
> do they currently need to have supported and what hardware
> do they intend to purchase within the next year?
>
> After that then we probably should start to look into what
> the really need in terms of financial reporting and such.
> One step at a time.

I absolutely agree. We should organize a group to meet with them and
determine specifics of what they will be doing. Dennis? What's your take on
that? I know you've had some indication.

Jay

>
> - Bill
>
> --- Jay MacDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Everyone,
> >
> > I don't want to make this a distro war, but one thing not
> > to lose sight of
> > is future availability. I've recently moved away from Red
> > Hat to Debian
> > specifically because of this, and am not planning to look
> > back (read: I'm
> > really pleased with Debian). With the recent purchase of
> > SUSE by Novell I,
> > for one, would not put money on SUSE/Novell not going the
> > way of Red Hat.
> > Bottom line: the more "open" we can make this the better.
> > This project needs
> > to be sustainable.
> >
> > LTSP would be an ideal solution assuming the resources
> > were available for
> > the central server. IMHO running it with more than a
> > couple of clients on
> > anything less than a 1 GHz PIII with 1 GB RAM would be
> > foolish. Until the
> > resources are there to put such a system (or better) in
> > as the server, I
> > recommend we abandon LTSP as a possibility. From what
> > I've seen so far, no
> > "big servers" are coming our way.
> >
> > IMHO GNOME and KDE are the only real options for the GUI
> > on desktops, so a
> > minimum system requirement needs to be defined. Sure,
> > they would run on
> > lesser hardware, but we need some level of productivity
> > and ease of use in
> > this install. As such I absolutely agree that anything
> > less than a PIII with
> > 256 MB RAM is not worth pursuing for the desktops. If
> > lesser hardware is all
> > that is available by donations we need to try and get the
> > RAM upped.
> >
> > If a couple of PIIs are available then by all means bring
> > them in as low end
> > servers handling routing, e-mail, file and print sharing.
> > They will likely
> > continue to have some Windows machines around so Samba,
> > rather than NFS,
> > would IMHO be the most likely direction to go for network
> > sharing. Tunneling
> > Samba through ssh is much easier than NFS, too. (As an
> > aside, my friend here
> > in Colorado uses ssh to tunnel port 139 from the home
> > offices to the Samba
> > server at the main office and runs Quickbooks on shared
> > files through it. He
> > has a shell script to set up the tunnel in a CygWin shell
> > using OpenSSH).
> >
> > As for applications, I think it's pretty much obvious:
> > OpenOffice.org and
> > Mozilla make up the basis for the bulk of the requirement
> > outside of
> > accounting, especially since they both cross over to the
> > Windows world. My
> > experience with Evolution (in a GNOME environment) has
> > been outstanding,
> > although it's not cross platform (plus since Ximian's
> > purchase by Novell I'm
> > also leery of it for a recommendation). I would
> > definitely NOT recommend
> > going to any of the K tools. The users WILL need to share
> > files and
> > experiences with Windows users, and the K tools are not
> > conducive to this.
> >
> > I'm not familiar with the various accounting packages
> > available beyond
> > GnuCash, so I won't bring an opinion to the table on that
> > aside from try to
> > keep it to an ASP type interface (i.e. it works in a
> > browser). If the best
> > tool for the job is an X app we need to make sure any
> > Windows users that do
> > show up have an easy install for CygWin and XFree86 to
> > run it from a server
> > (although we once again run into LTSP type issues in that
> > case).
> >
> > This is a great opportunity for RLUG. Thank you Dennis
> > for bringing it to
> > the table. If properly managed we could probably get an
> > article in Linux
> > Journal or something. With that in mind I suggest someone
> > take the ball and
> > run with organizing the project and starting a SIG or
> > something; what's the
> > new constitution say about this?
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Jay (struggling with a Windows box and Outlook while on
> > vacation in CO)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Behalf Of C.
> > Richard Matson
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:52 PM
> > To: Bill Cunningham; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [RLUG] RE: RLUG digest, Vol 1 #286 - 7 msgs
> >
> >
> > On Tue December 30 2003 3:03 pm, Bill Cunningham wrote:
> > > Hey,
> > >
> > > The KDE version shipping with the latest Mandrake is
> > scaled
> > > down and simplified for the end user. During install it
> > > specifically asks if the user is new to the desktop
> > > environment and adjusts the menus accordingly. Might be
> > > worth looking into.
> > >$$$$$$$This sounds like the bestidea . Rich
> > > --- Dennis Bagley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Because of the "level" of users at the Fair office,
> > we
> > > > are expecting that a
> > > > full GUI under X-windows
> > > > would be simplest (probably KDE or GNOME.)  The
> > > > accounting software
> > > > products being considered
> > > > are Quasar, SQL Ledger and Lazy Eight Ledger.  Office
> > > > suite will be Open
> > > > Office due to it's compatibility
> > > > with M$ products and probably the Mozilla suite or
> > > > Evolution for browser
> > > > and email, though that's still open.
> > > > Based on a few things I looked at, maybe the Ximian
> > > > desktop should be
> > > > considered, though I would like to hear
> > > > from anybody who has actually used it in a corporate
> > > > environment.
> > > >
> > > > I have some concerns that P-II's may not be fully up
> > to
> > > > the tasks under the
> > > > latest kernel,
> > > > if for no other reason than we need to keep support
> > > > requirements as low as
> > > > possible and
> > > > speed high.
> > > >
> > > > Of course some of you may have another view.  Perhaps
> > > > creating a really
> > > > beefy server
> > > > then running all the other nodes as thin clients
> > would
> > > > enable using P-II's.
> > > >
> > > > But remember the end users are:
> > > >      A. New to Linux (most have never even seen it
> > > > before)
> > > >      B. In some cases not even regular users of PCs
> > > >      C. Probably older than, shall we say, the median
> > age
> > > > of the RLUG
> > > > membership.
> > > >              with substantially less computer
> > experience,
> > > > of any kind.
> > > >      D. Will want their hands held, for at least a
> > little
> > > > while.
> > > >      E. There will NOT be an in-house computer geek
> > on
> > > > staff.
> > > >
> > > > At 01:04 PM 12/30/2003, Johnny Lau wrote:
> > > > >Hi, Everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > >Is it matter if it is PII?  Only if it is ok then I
> > will
> > > >
> > > > check with my boss,
> > > >
> > > > >may be we can donate some computer as well.
> > > > >
> > > > >Please let me know
> > > > >
> > > > >Johnny Lau
> > > > >PC-Doctor, Inc.
> > > > >Customer Relationship Manager
> > > > >Tel: 775-336-4021    Fax: 775-336-4099
> > > > >Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Address: 9805 Double R Blvd. Suite 301
> > > > >Reno, Nevada 89521
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
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> >
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