Hi,

1. You can actually have a basic flow in The Maintain employee. How this is
done can be found in our training materials.
2. There are many ways to look at use cases and abuse them. I do not wish to
get myself into this debate as it has occurred many time before. Please
check out www.usecasehelp.com/wp
to read some papers on this matter and what the experts have to say, esp the
one on the uses and abuses of use cases.

Cheers
--Pan-Wei Ng 
  Rational Software (Singapore)

-----Original Message-----
From: Romuald Restout [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 01 December 2000 00:11
To: 'Ng, Pan Wei'; Michael Hill
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Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram


Seems to me that in the "Maintain employee" use-case you cannot define a
basic flow, but severals ! 
So I would say : several use-cases ! 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ng, Pan Wei [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 10:00 AM 
To: Michael Hill; Ng, Pan Wei 
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Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram 



Of course the observable result is different! Your basic flow and alternate 
flow will give you different observable results! Should you split them into 
different use case? Definitely Not. The What are flows and what are use 
cases depends on the value it brings to the actor. The "complete sequences 
of events" that are "of value to the actor". Focus on the larger picture on 
what the actor wants. 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 30 November 2000 20:45 
To: 'Ng, Pan Wei '; Michael Hill 
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' 
Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram 


 But the observable result would be different for "Update", "Add", etc.  If 
the result is different, then you have broken the definition of a Use Case. 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ng, Pan Wei 
To: Michael Hill 
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11/30/00 6:46 AM 
Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram 
Hi, 
The definition of a use case is A SEQUENCE OF EVENTS PERFORMED BY THE 
SYSTEM 
THAT YIELDS AND OVSERVABLE RESULT WHICH IS OF VALUE TO THE ACTOR. Focus 
on 
the phrase "of value to the actor". Is adding records by itself of value 
to 
the actor? Think of a system in context. If it can only add records, but 
cannot browse, delete, edit. Is it of value to the actor. If it is, I 
agree 
with you. BUT IN MOST cases, what the actor wants is to be able to 
mantain 
records, Add, Delete, Update, Browse and Search, and use case like this 
in 
most cases are NOT BIG. 
Cheers 
--Pan-Wei Ng 
  Rational Software (Singapore) 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Hill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 30 November 2000 20:33 
To: 'Ng, Pan Wei ' 
Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram 


 I disagree with what was stated below, Update Records, etc.  are not 
flows 
in the Use Case.  Think about you alternalte flows or exceptional flows, 
it 
would cause the Use Case to be to big.  Split them up in smaller Use 
Cases. 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ng, Pan Wei 
To: CHIAM CHOON YEE, LSD; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' 
Sent: 11/29/00 9:28 AM 
Subject: RE: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram 


Hi, 
Your suggested approach is what we call "functional decomposition". This 
is 
actually one of the pitfalls of mis-applying use cases. Your update 
records, 
delete records, add records and view records are flows of events within 
the 
Maintain Employee Records use case. Each of them is documented as an 
interaction diagram, not a use case. 
What you can do is as follows: Right Click use case. Select New-->Create 
Sequence Diagram, and rename them as update records, delete records, add 
records and view records respectively. 
Cheers 
--Pan-Wei Ng 
  Rational Software (Singapore) 
-----Original Message----- 
From: CHIAM CHOON YEE, LSD [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 29 November 2000 21:59 
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' 
Subject: (ROSE) Use Cases and UC Diagram 



>From what I understand, Use Case Diagram captures all the use cases 
which 
describes the functionalities of the system in relation to the system. 
Usually, I would want to keep the main use case diagram uncluttered, 
simple 
and neat.  However, when I do that, I lose the details.  
As an example, I use "Maintain employee records" as a use case.  In this 
use 
case, I actually have 
*       update records 
*       delete records 
*       add records 
*       view records 
Is there any good way to layer the use cases conveniently?  That is, I 
click 
into one particular use case, if there is a layer of use case diagram 
below 
it, the diagram will be blown up? 
Thanks. 


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