Johan,
You really believe in this HAT then :-)
Actually, I downloaded the evaluation version and took it with on a week's
conference. I'm sorry to say, that after 3 days of experimenting, I do not
have your faith in HAT.
1) The process implemented by the tool is too inflexible. I'm not saying
that HOORA is not a good process, it's just that I have certain artifacts
in my process that HAT did not allow me to implement.
2) Way TOO many bugs. Anyone would think that Rational had had a hand in
the coding :-) It would not allow me to enter my requirements through the
requirements management window and if I tried to force them into the tool
via the tree view pane HAT would go down.
The idea is good, I will have another look in the future if you can assure
me that the bugs have been ironed out.
Les.
Johan Galle
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Please respond to
Johan Galle
This is my major requirement for a UML tool:
A UML TOOL HAS TO SUPPORT THE MODELING PROCESS
Tool developers have misunderstood the UML standardization in their
conclusion:
ALL THAT A UML TOOL HAS TO DO IS TO SUPPORT THE UML NOTATION
UML tools should not be just a collection of diagram editors.
We defined a "set of process ingredients", which is far more concrete than
"here are the diagrams", and which is also far more concrete than the
over-generic RUP. We validated this in work we did for the European Space
Agency. These ingredients are still flexible enough to cover many needs.
These are some of the ingredients we introduce:
Requirements, Terms dictionary, automatically generated diagrams that have
a
pre-defined meaning (static model, dynamic model, package summary), tracing
requirements to all kinds of model elements, distributing the requirements
linked to use cases X to the classes introduced in sequence diagrams under
use case X, hierarchy rules and metrics, ...
The static model of class X is a class diagram showing this class X and
all
the classes statically related to X. The dynamic model of class X shows
class X and all the classes (dynamically) interacting with it (based on
sequence and collaboration diagram information). The package summary
diagram
of package X shows package X and all the packages it depends upon. The good
thing is that all these diagrams are automatically kept consistent.
With these ingredients, it is easier to create your own "process".
Take a look at http://www.hoora.org or browse through this step by step
example: http://www.hoora.org/hoora_example.htm.
I feel that the whole UML standardization has led to far less emphasis on
the process. And the support you get from "UML tools" is really minimal.
CASE tools are supposed to be more than drawing tools. Not giving enough
support in order to still cover a large enough user base is wrong (I hope).
For this HOORA process, we developed a tool, HAT (HOORA Analysis Tool).
(And
yes, we can read .mdl files)
And I would like to add HAT to your list of tools.
Regards,
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Johan Galle
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> From: Damian Dixon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 10:17
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> Subject: (ROSE) Rose vs Select vs Together
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>
> Hi,
>
> While the list is discussing Together, could I suggest a
> broader discussion.
>
> I am currently looking at a replacement for Rose and I am
> looking at both Together and Select and would like to know
> peoples experience of Select as well :>
>
> One of the main criteria I am looking for is the ability
> of a tool to read Rose mdl files. We just have too many
> on going Rose designs.
>
> I am also looking for:
>
> o Stable design tool (Rose 2001 is too buggy, Rose has cost
> my project this year ~£7000 in lost time, we have had to
> go back to 2000e).
> o Better way for documenting (being able to use more then
> just text, and to be able to specify additional sections
> within a textual description).
> o Better documentation generation (yes we have SODA, but I've
> gone for modifying the reportgen_plus script).
> o Workable reverse engineering.
> o Ability to generate code from state diagrams.
> o Easier to use GUI (less mouse clicks and more sensible layout).
> o Better team support.
>
> Please don't limit your comments to Rose, Select and Together
> as I know there are other tools out there as well.
>
> I look forward to hearing peoples comments and suggestions...
>
> Regards,
> Damian
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