Hi Johan
These are useful comments. I believe that we do provide the answers to your
questions in RUP - the debate would be are they easy enough to find for new
users. I have taught a lot of classes in the past for Rational where we do
give the guidance you feel is important - and our material is all based on
RUP.
I would also like to extend the discussion - as modeling and UML are not the
only thing to worry about - what about requirements management as
text/documents/plans as well as UML, testing, project planning, etc, etc -
this is also very important and what the Rational toolset does worry about
(and RUP gives guidance on).
Sometimes, project teams resist stronger process enforcement as they feel it
restricts them. I believe we offer the ability to have a good range of
process enforcement, from strict to more flexible - but we can always
improve!
I think this is a good discussion to have - perhaps we should move it to the
rup_forum as this is wider than just modeling tools.
Thanks for your contributions to the forum - this is an interesting
discussion.
regards
anthony
> Yes, a tool should give stronger process guidance. That is
> precisely my
> point.
> Take some examples.
>
> Take all the Rose and RUP information. And let us see if we get enough
> guidance.
> How long does it take to find an answer to questions that
> should be trivial,
> such as:
> - what should I start with? Class diagrams?
> - how do I go from requirements to use cases to class diagrams?
> - how do I use packages to structure my model?
> - what is the relationship between the business object model,
> the analysis
> model and the design model?
> - what is the relationship between the class diagram and the
> interaction
> diagram? Does one influence the other?
> - ...
> I do not claim that these are yes-no questions. I do not
> claim that the
> answer is not available. But teams need simplified
> presentations and then
> you can start explaining that there are variations.
> (And these are only pretty high-level questions. If we would
> go to a more
> detailed level, answers are even harder to find, e.g. are
> there are any
> rules or guidelines about connecting model elements in
> different packages)
>
> Another example. A tool needs to built based on the process
> used and not
> just on the notation. Why is it so hard in Rose to link the state
> transitions in a state transition diagram to operations of
> the class you are
> modeling (I agree, not the only possibility, but still very
> probable)?
> My answer: because the goal is (was) to support UML instead
> of supporting
> the modeling activity.
>
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