This is a RUP template provided by Rose. It is one of many templates. I am
questioning the template not Rose. If Rational is going to provide a RUP
template, it should like the RUP 4+1 architecture.

Rational could change the RUP Template name to "Kind of Like the RUP" and
add a new template called "RUP 4+1 View Architecture"

<< Not all Rose users always want RUP's 4+1 dogma imposed
on them.>> I agree. The user can choose another template.

<< And yes, it would
be sensible if Rose were flexible and could support more than
one set of top level views, so those using Rose with RUP and
applying the dogma could have a tool that directly supports 
this world view.>> This is what we really need. Even if I wanted to build my
own 4+ template, I can't because I cannot modify the top-level views in
Rose.

Cheers,

Art.

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Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:01 AM
To: Osvaldo Kotaro Takai
Cc: 'Rossomando, Philip'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]';
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; 'English, Art'; 'Lowe, Jeff'
Subject: Re: (ROSE) RES: (RUP) The 4+1 View Model of Architecture

(responding to Osvaldo Kotaro Takai)

> I think that you didn't understand Art's thought.
>
> If does Rose own a RUP's template, why to don't accommodate perfectly
> its own concepts?. 
>
> I think that Rational had to review the concepts to nullify suches
> discrepancies clearly identified by Art.

With respect, I think you didn't understand Jeff's objection.

Not all Rose users always want RUP's 4+1 dogma imposed
on them.  The 4+1 Views and Use Case Driven dogma are
doing a good job, and are fine in their place.  And yes, it would
be sensible if Rose were flexible and could support more than
one set of top level views, so those using Rose with RUP and
applying the dogma could have a tool that directly supports 
this world view.  However, other developers have other world 
views, and don't want 4+1 imposed on them.

Please don't take my use of the word 'dogma' in respect to
RUP to be derogatory, it is not intended as such.

Paul Oldfield

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