Hi Gunhild,
Cofundo looks interesting. I am not sure I grasp how it works. I took a
quick look at the site. I'd need to read it more in depth to really
understand it. It looks like it attempts to resolve the ongoing problem in
opensource as to how to get the developer fairly compensated.
Dave
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Gunhild Andersen <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm sure the desire to see Rosegarden developers recieve some form of
> financial compensation for the time and energy they put into the project
> is widespread. Still, they're not exactly showered in donations. I've
> never donated as much as a penny, and the reason is that I don't have
> enough money to make any substantial donation and it would just feel
> silly to just throw in a ridiculously small amount. It would be so small
> that I couldn't be sure it wold be useful at all, and it probably
> wouldn't. "Here you go guys, go get yourselves a cup of coffee"...
>
> This argument of course doesn't hold much water. But it seems likely to
> me that many users might feel the same way as me. I can't help but think
> that if a lot of people chipped in a little bit the sum wold at least
> amount to something, and something is always better than practically
> nothing. I've discussed this a bit with Michael off list, and of course
> it's tricky. Noone likes to beg.
>
> But what if users were enabled to donate money on very specific terms
> and under organized and clear circumstances? And what if developers were
> enabled to specify what it would take to accomplish certain tasks, and
> the users who would like to pay to see a certain implementation could
> chip in?
>
> Don't know if anyone is famiiliar with this project, but to me it seems
> like this is something that could be used to make it easier for users to
> open their wallets and easier for developers to concentrate on specific
> tasks and recieve some sort of compensation for their work:
>
> http://cofundos.org/
>
> I'm not saying we would make you guys rich, but we might just be able to
> raise your salary from zero to something.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Gunhild
>
>
>
>
>
>
> tis 2008-05-20 klockan 17:19 -0400 skrev John Dey:
> > David,
> >
> >
> > I have suggested on other forums that from the
> > educational institutions, equipment vendors and musicians there should
> > be a way and willingness to set up and get support for a nonprofit
> > company with the mission of developing and administering to opensource
> > music software. The board of the nonprofit could be chosen from those
> > users. The nonprofit could then hire (part and/or full time) those
> > that have and could make contributions to our community. I would sure
> > like to see individuals like Sylvan do what they do on a full time
> > basis and get paid for it.
> >
> >
> > John Dey
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 20, 2008, at 4:54 PM, David Tisdell wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Michael,
> > >
> > > Good luck. Your tireless support on this project has been greatly
> > > appreciated. I hope things go well in the job change and that we
> > > continue to see you posting on this list and developing Rosegarden.
> > > You help has been invaluable.
> > >
> > > What would be nice, as a community of Rosegarden users, is to come
> > > up with a model for you to get financial support for your work on
> > > Rosegarden. It would be cool if that could be your full time job;
> > > assuming you wanted something like that.
> > >
> > > I have presented on using Rosegarden in the classroom twice in the
> > > last year at educational conferences. If we could grow the base of
> > > educational institution users and studio artists, perhaps there
> > > would be a way to create full time work on Rosegarden. The program
> > > is certainly worthy of consideration in those realms and worth
> > > having people working on it full time.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > > On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:47 PM, D. Michael McIntyre
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > After thinking about it for two months or so, I have just
> > > officially said
> > > goodbye to my lucrative career driving an 18-wheeler and
> > > traded it in for a
> > > job changing oil and tires at Wal-Mart for less than half of
> > > what I used to
> > > make.
> > >
> > > Believe me, I'd love to entertain other options, and I've
> > > been trying to find
> > > some other kind of job the whole time. Some "none of the
> > > above" Option C in
> > > this. I just can't find anything else to do with myself
> > > right now. The only
> > > jobs that feel like the kind of thing I'd like to do for a
> > > living are only
> > > available as short-term temp gigs that are few, far between,
> > > and difficult to
> > > get even for all that. I just can't live from temp job to
> > > temp job. That
> > > kind of uncertainty was fine when I was a kid with no real
> > > responsibilities,
> > > but I can't live like that now.
> > >
> > > So I've stepped back to a fork in the road, and I'm going to
> > > follow the other
> > > path, and see where I would have ended up if I had stayed on
> > > at Wal-Mart
> > > instead of quitting to go to truck driving school. I'm
> > > actually starting
> > > pretty close to where I left off 11 years ago, and I don't
> > > have to begin at
> > > the very beginning all over again, so it's possible to see
> > > how this is going
> > > to play out within a year or so.
> > >
> > > It's a really surreal place to be in life. Part of me can't
> > > take working at
> > > Wal-Mart seriously at all. WTF am I thinking? But it's
> > > somewhere to jump to
> > > in order to get off the ship I'm on before it sinks. I rode
> > > the last one to
> > > the bottom, and getting laid off was miserable. I have good
> > > intelligence
> > > that the job I'm leaving is going to evaporate by December
> > > anyway, and I have
> > > no intention of riding that train all the way to the bit
> > > where we see whether
> > > the tracks are going to end abruptly at a ravine or not. If
> > > my successor is
> > > still working this time next year, I'll probably feel like
> > > an idiot, but if
> > > he's going over the road for $0.30 a mile getting paid on a
> > > 1099 with no
> > > benefits, no paid vacations, sick days, etc., I'll probably
> > > be tapdancing all
> > > the way to the oil changing pit. (Though hopefully by this
> > > time next year I
> > > will have long since escaped the Tire and Lube Express
> > > anyway. I'm taking
> > > that job because that's what they need at the moment, and
> > > I'm going to be
> > > flexible, and make myself as useful as possible.)
> > >
> > > I'm glad I'm getting out of that, and I'm glad I have
> > > finally reached the
> > > decision that no, I absolutely will not go over the road.
> > > (The easiest way
> > > by a gigantic margin to find a job in the trucking
> > > business.) But I do wish
> > > I had been able to come up with a plan that would involve
> > > less hardship. We
> > > are going to be desperately poor like we haven't seen in
> > > more than a decade,
> > > and I hate being poor.
> > >
> > > I'm not begging anyone for donations, but if anyone wants to
> > > part with some
> > > cash, I'll gladly accept anything. I'm ruined,
> > > financially. Totally ruined.
> > > I'll keep my internet connection as long as possible, but
> > > it's definitely on
> > > the "luxuries to be dispensed with" side of the ledger if it
> > > comes to that,
> > > and it well may.
> > >
> > > But I hope I can be a happier man after this. I've been
> > > profoundly unhappy
> > > with the direction my life was taking for a long time now,
> > > and while I am
> > > frankly terrified of what's to come, and sitting here in
> > > shocked disbelief
> > > that I actually went through with this, after around two
> > > months of waffling,
> > > I'm also glad I don't have to drive a truck anymore, and I
> > > can put that
> > > behind me now. I wish I had been able to find a more tidy
> > > way to escape a
> > > career I long since started to hate, but at least I did
> > > escape in the end.
> > >
> > > Wish me luck, everyone!
> > > --
> > > D. Michael McIntyre
> > >
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