On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:19:58 -1000 david <gn...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote: > On 2/8/21 1:00 PM, krsg...@trixtar.org wrote: > > On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 14:05:04 +0100 > > Tom Peters <tpet...@telfort.nl> wrote: > > > >> Chuck, Michael, Lorenzo: > >> thank you very much for your input. > >> Michael, Lorenzo, I share your sentiment. I think it is fair now in the > >> 22nd year of the 21st century to expect from a computer application: > >> 1) that the package management system like apt is configured that an > >> application will get all its dependencies so that it will actually work; > >> 2) that an application is configured with sensible defaults so that it > >> actually works out of the box. > > agreed > > > > I sympathize with the devs who want to > > just improve the product that is but its > > extremely frustrating to have to hunt for > > basics. Let's not forget that a user may > > well be a novice to both musicware AND Linux. > > Again, I wanna stress that I'm trying to > > throw pebbles but leaving earth orbit should > > kinda come before nuclear sails or mars > > landings. Is it THAT difficult to hardwire > > SOME minimal sound ability if only to show > > that the right software is being tried? > > Other apps can do it, at least at some > > rudimentary level at first. > > So far, PulseAudio seems to have basic sound sorted out upon > installation - if you only have one audio device and want to use it for > everything. > > Package management systems depend on humans to specify what to include > in or require for a package. The package maintainers decide how heavy or > light they want their package to be. Say your package wants MIDI output. > Does it require a particular MIDI output application like Timidity, > Fluidsynth, Qsynth, etc? Do you make that application a requirement for > someone that already has another MIDI output set up on their system? Do > you make it optional so someone that installs just the application has > no MIDI output after installation and has to install/configure yet > another application? > > Also, what's a "sensible default" vs something that someone else might > consider a headache or bloatware? On all my systems, PulseAudio my > systems defaulted to one form or another of on-board audio - either the > built-in hardware connected to laptop speakers/headphone jack, or HDMI. > The PA default was useless on one system, a headache to deal with on my > main laptop, and suitable only on the netbook. None of my HDMI monitors > include speakers, so no sound output. > > Doing pro audio/MIDI is not in the same league as just playing MP3s or > Youtube videos. I read about some of the MIDI setups people on the list > have - multiple hardware synths, external keyboards, multichannel sound > cards, softsynths running on multiple machines, etc. Seems to me like > there's *no* "sensible default" that would apply to every situation. > > I remember discussion years back in the RG world: should RG require > Lilypond for printing scores. > > I have a friend, singer/songwriter, that's exclusively used Windows > audio systems setup by professional techs. It seems to me that not even > Windows has it sorted out if you need a professional to set up your > Windows audio system!
Ok, I guess I wrote something that asks for it, should have written "I wanna stress that I'm _NOT_ trying to throw pebbles" :) If it were MY watch I'd make it make a sound, however unsophisticated, until the user can sort things out. _______________________________________________ Rosegarden-user mailing list Rosegarden-user@lists.sourceforge.net - use the link below to unsubscribe https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/rosegarden-user
