Hi all,

On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 02:49 -0500, Joel M. Halpern wrote:
> One related side effect is that the mapping system can take 
> responsibility for providing traffic engineering information for such 
> sites, so that we do not have to use dis-aggregation for multi-homed 
> edge sites' traffic engineering.
> 

But even if traffic engineering is handled elsewhere, how much of
deaggregation is rooted at TE and how much for other reasons?  .  All of
the recent proposals and rrg discussion seem to focus on re-empowering
aggregation by attempting to pinpoint the reasons for deaggregation and
dealing with them.  A lot of reasons have been brought up, such as PI
usage, ingress TE, avoiding renumbering, etc.  Yet, it is unclear how
much each 'cause' contributes to overall deaggregation.   

I wonder if it would be preferred to have a solution that allows
networks to shield themselves from routing table bloat, regardless of
the causes behind long-prefix announcements - a cause-agnostic solution.

> While there have been some inter-domain variations on 
> virtual-aggregation suggested, the primary applicability of tat 
> technique is intra-domain.  While it has the potential (if we can
> deal 
> with configuration complexity and issues such as loose source policy 
> application) to provide a significantly larger than 30% win, it is
> still 
> largely a short term technique designed to help us keep functionaing 
> while we get to an architecture that works better.

I understand why local FIB aggregation is just a short-term solution,
but why do you consider VA a short-term solution?  According to the RRG
design goals draft, VA fits all the 'required' goals.  VA allows
networks to scale down their tables to any arbitrary size by
re-enabling aggregation within the network.  It's also
deployment-friendly.  

I can see why one would want to add to VA to achieve some of the
'strongly desired' goals, but I don't think VA should be considered
'short term', as it does help with our primary goals for the long haul.


Dan Jen

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