On Apr 20, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Mike Sassak wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Ed Howland <ed.howl...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Please forgive the x-post. >> >> I just got back from the Great Lakes Ruby Bash. They had several good >> presentations, two specific to BDD and Cucumber. I also talked to >> several CEOs and devs afterwards, and the overall takeaway I gathered >> was a shift to less RSpec and more Cucumber. Some people even claimed >> a 90/10 split (cukes/specs) on current projects. >> >> This was surorising to me and not at all how I worked up to this >> point. I was more 20/80. I usually cuked a feature, then spec'ed the >> code to make the cuke work. Each release had some new features and >> specs for all the underlying code. Apparently, the feeling is that you >> should do all your main thrusts with Cucumber and use RSpec for edge >> cases. The theory is that you can change out all the underlying code >> and the cukes still pass. >> >> What is the communities consensus on this? >> > > Hi Ed, > > I was also at the GLRB, and was a bit aghast at the claim that you > should have a 90/10 split between cukes and rspec. In my experience, > favoring Cucumber so heavily invites developing code that behaves > correctly, but is messy and difficult to change. I would go so far as > to claim there is a positive correlation between over-reliance on > Cucumber features and rampant violations of the SOLID principles. > Cucumber simply doesn't excel at enforcing simple, testable contracts > between the objects in your code base the way RSpec does. The result > is that your code is hard to refactor and change, which from the > developer's point of view is practically the whole reason to maintain > a good test suite in the first place. This isn't the whole of the > story by any means, but I think it's close to the place to start. > > $0.02 > Mike > > P.S. Hello RSpec Group! What's the etiquette here for cross-posting?
Etiquette, schmetiquette :) I'd say, in the interest of keeping the thread in one place, post to the rspec list w/ a link to this thread in the cuke group and invite folks to join the convo. Cheers, David > >> >> Cheers, >> Ed >> >> Ed Howland >> http://greenprogrammer.wordpress.com >> http://twitter.com/ed_howland >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Cukes" group. >> To post to this group, send email to cu...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> cukes+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/cukes?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Cukes" group. > To post to this group, send email to cu...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > cukes+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/cukes?hl=en. > _______________________________________________ rspec-users mailing list rspec-users@rubyforge.org http://rubyforge.org/mailman/listinfo/rspec-users
