On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 6:58 AM, Erik Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:

>   did you have a chance to look at debug log?
>
>
not yet, but I am finalizing the 8.1.0 release. Bear with me another couple
of days pls.
Rainer


>   did more testing in the meantime, figured out that:
>
>   6 senders, 1 collector version 7.5.4, 300 kB/s  always works
>
>   6 senders, 1 collector versions 7.5.5, 7.5.6 300 kB/s do not work
>
>   6 senders, 2 collectors versions 7.5.5, 7.5.6 300 kB/s mostly work but
> not always (periods of silence are much more predicable if the re is no
> reload/HUP signal)
>
>   1 sender, one collector any version always works (this has less files
> open plusthe total traffic is around 100lB/s, not sure if that's
> siginificant)
>
>   Looked at strace on both sides (sender and receiver) during time when
> traffic went from 300kB/s down to virtually zero but see nothing
> suspicious, essentially there is lot of messages sent, then one message
> confirming all of them. Then at some point there is timeout, then few
> messages are confirmed one by one then nothing, then it starts again.
>
>   As far as I can tell it's the rename of the files that causes the
> problem (we rename athen remove them but if I comment out the remove part
> the problem is still there). We never rename the files that rsyslogd is
> actually writing to (even though they are still open).
>
>   Given the behaviour in the scenarios above it seems something got broken
> between 7.5.4 and 7.5.5. Did the code that handles renamed files change in
> any way? I looked at changelog (http://www.rsyslog.com/
> changelog-for-7-5-5-v7-devel/) before but didn't see anything that looks
> related.
>
>   Any ideas how to troubleshoot this further?
>
>   thanks!
>
>         erik
>
>
> On 11/05/2013 10:04 AM, Rainer Gerhards wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:41 AM, Erik Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     See the debug log attached, the first line is the last message in one
>>> of
>>> the files (maybe not last message overall, but all communication stops at
>>> that second, there's number of files so it's hard to figure out which
>>> message is the last one).
>>>
>>>    Also noticed that number of messages in log with same number at the
>>> beginning drops right after this message, I assume the beginning of the
>>> line has something to do with time, these are the counts and values at
>>> the
>>> beginning of the debug log line:
>>>
>>>
>> It's the last 5 digits of a Unix timestamp - so you don't get an absolute
>> time, but an idea how things progress. After the dot I think there are ms
>> (or so) and after the colon there is a thread ID (same ID = same thread).
>>
>> Hope that helps a bit, will try to look at the debug log tomorrow morning.
>>
>> Rainer
>>
>>
>>
>>>    21264 9547.
>>>
>>
>>    22378 9548.
>>
>>>     2725 9549.
>>>     1877 9550.
>>> ...9551 to 9969 left out, low counts around 2000
>>> ...9970 to 0519 left out, low counts around  6
>>>        6 0520.
>>>        6 0521.
>>>    39302 0522.
>>>    51997 0523.
>>>
>>>    thanks!
>>>
>>>          erik
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/03/2013 01:05 PM, David Lang wrote:
>>>
>>>  I would post everything in the log file starting with the last log that
>>>> it successfully sent and continuing a while after that message (a while
>>>> being a couple hundred lines or so to be safe)
>>>>
>>>> once we look at the log we may ask for more.
>>>>
>>>> David Lang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>    On Sun, 3 Nov 2013, Erik Steffl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:45:03 -0800
>>>>
>>>>> From: Erik Steffl <[email protected]>
>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [rsyslog] Rsyslog with RELP not sending/receiving
>>>>> messages for
>>>>>      long intervals
>>>>>
>>>>>   I have debug log where I was able to find last message in one of the
>>>>> logs files (right before the silence period) but it's 3 GB :) Any hint
>>>>> how much to pick the relevant part of the debug log? Is the timestamp
>>>>> part of the log message? There is something in the beginning of each
>>>>> debug log line but I don't know how to translate it to time (part of
>>>>> it is transaction id, the rest not sure about)
>>>>>
>>>>>   thanks! (and of course I unserstand you can't drop everything and
>>>>> work on my problem, thanks for answers!)
>>>>>
>>>>>      erik
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/02/2013 08:51 AM, Rainer Gerhards wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 11:31 PM, Erik Steffl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      running reload every 43 seconds, behaviour is exactly the same
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (30 min
>>>>>>> traffic, 15 min silence) so I think it's not related to reload.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     will test the latest version and I guess re-test the older
>>>>>>> version and
>>>>>>> go from there...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   It would probably be a good idea to try to capture a debug log so
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> that we
>>>>>> can see what rsyslog itself thinks what happens. Note that you can
>>>>>> also
>>>>>> just enable it shortly before you expect the problem to happen
>>>>>> (google for
>>>>>> "debug on demand").
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now, I am totally busy with complex work and cannot look at it.
>>>>>> If
>>>>>> this is for a business, I would strongly suggest to purchase one of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> low-priced support options. That would enable an engineer to begin
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> on the case within half a day or so. I would *really love* to drop
>>>>>> this to
>>>>>> someone else, as I really don't like the smell of this bug -- but if
>>>>>> I do,
>>>>>> I am pretty sure other bugs will creep up, and that would again be the
>>>>>> death of the new work I am doing (and it took me 3 years or so to get
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> this point!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So it looks like non-paid work needs to stay focused on that work,
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> will be useful for all users in the hopefully not so distant future.
>>>>>> All
>>>>>> non-emergency bugs (usually security related things) or request thus
>>>>>> need
>>>>>> to be on hold for a couple of days or maybe till the end of month.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you get a debug log, I will have time to at least look quickly at
>>>>>> it,
>>>>>> but I can't say if that will be sufficient to provide a solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> sorry for that and I hope for your understanding.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rainer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>           erik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/01/2013 02:29 PM, David Lang wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Ok, this is definantly sounding like a bug in RELP, it worked on an
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> earlier version, check if it works on the latest version, and then I
>>>>>>>> would suggest fileing a bug on the www.rsyslog.com bugtracker
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This sounds like something Rainer is going to need to look at. He's
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> Germany, so I believe his weekend has started, he may see it over
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> weekend or it may wait until his work week starts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     On Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Erik Steffl wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     pretty sure reload is sending HUP (that's upstart job as
>>>>>>>> inlcluded in
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  adiscon packages), the rsyslog keeps the same PID, I even tried to
>>>>>>>>> strace it while running reload, here's syslog message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nov  1 10:47:25 ip-10-238-198-103 rsyslogd: [origin
>>>>>>>>> software="rsyslogd" swVersion="7.5.5" x-pid="3865"
>>>>>>>>> x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com";] rsyslogd was HUPed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    but I think it must be related to something else cause when I
>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>> the reload (so the log mover was doing only rename, upload,
>>>>>>>>> remove) it
>>>>>>>>> was still exhibiting the same works for 30 min, silent for 15 min
>>>>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    running reload every 43 seconds now and will see what happens...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       erik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/01/2013 12:57 PM, David Lang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   a HUP of the server should not cause any interruption in
>>>>>>>>> processing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> messages.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are you sure upstart is seing HUP not doing a full stop/start?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> could you try sending HUP to rsyslog manually a few times to see
>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>> can duplicate the problem?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Nov 2013, Erik Steffl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>     sorry, it wasn't entirely clear in my previous email but we
>>>>>>>>>> are doing
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  ubuntu upstart reload which is sending HUP signal, pretty sure
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> doing the right thing since logrotate scripts use it, syslog
>>>>>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>>>>>> says rsyslog received HUP signal, rsyslogd keeps the same PID
>>>>>>>>>>> and all
>>>>>>>>>>> files are closed (as verified using lsof).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    On top of that if, during one of these quiet periods, I try to
>>>>>>>>>>> send
>>>>>>>>>>> messages from another client (on which I just restarted rsyslog
>>>>>>>>>>> so it
>>>>>>>>>>> has no error counters etc.) I think it's also not sending
>>>>>>>>>>> anything,
>>>>>>>>>>> when stracing it (the sender) I see it recieved messages from
>>>>>>>>>>> logger
>>>>>>>>>>> but is not sending them anywhere. So I think that the collector
>>>>>>>>>>> rsyslog continues to send some kind of signal that it's not
>>>>>>>>>>> ready but
>>>>>>>>>>> not sure why or how to figure out whether it actually does it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    Any ideas how to troubleshoot this? I think I'll record more
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> strace output and try to reconstruct RELP messages, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>> some RELP response that has something else than RSP-CODE = 200
>>>>>>>>>>> (looking at http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/relp.html)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    I was just about to publish the S3 upload scripts but since
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> cause rsyslog to misbehave this way I didn't do it yet, maybe
>>>>>>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>>>> post them as they are and fix later...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       erik
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/01/2013 01:02 AM, David Lang wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   the purpose of RELP is to tell the senders if the receiver was
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> able to
>>>>>>>>>>>> accept the message or not, so that's working as designed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When you do a full restart of rsyslog, it stops processing new
>>>>>>>>>>>> messages
>>>>>>>>>>>> and disconnects all senders (you are doing a full stop of
>>>>>>>>>>>> rsyslog and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then starting it from scratch, this takes time). My guess is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>> senders are detecting 'too many failures' when trying to send
>>>>>>>>>>>> messages,
>>>>>>>>>>>> so they are backing off and sleeping for a while rather tthan
>>>>>>>>>>>> performing
>>>>>>>>>>>> a mini DOS attack on the network and server. Every third
>>>>>>>>>>>> restart is
>>>>>>>>>>>> probably triggering a threshold.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of doing a full restart, just send the rsyslog daemon a
>>>>>>>>>>>> HUP
>>>>>>>>>>>> signal instead. That will tell rsyslog to flush and close all
>>>>>>>>>>>> files so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that you can rotate them (If you are doing compression on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> files, you
>>>>>>>>>>>> may need to sleep for a few seconds to let the fluch complete).
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rsyslog
>>>>>>>>>>>> can continue to receive new messages during this time, so your
>>>>>>>>>>>> senders
>>>>>>>>>>>> will not see an outage.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, I'm needing a script to upload rsyslog archives to
>>>>>>>>>>>> S3,
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> you send me a copy of yours? (remove any passwords first please
>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> David Lang
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>     On Thu, 31 Oct 2013, Erik Steffl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2013 18:44:23 -0700
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  From: Erik Steffl <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reply-To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: rsyslog-users <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [rsyslog] Rsyslog with RELP not sending/receiving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for long
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       intervals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a fairly simple setup of 6 hosts sending syslog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one collector host, all of these run rsyslog 7.5.5-0adiscon2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> adiscon repo and use RELP to transfer messages. There is also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> load
>>>>>>>>>>>>> balancer in front of the collector machine but I dont' think it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> matters in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rsyslog on collector machine is configured to write to files,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> switching to a new file every 15 minute, using config like this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (abbreviated a bit):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> template(name="jsonFilename" type="list") {
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    constant(value="/path/")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    property(name="$now")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    constant(value="/")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    property(name="$hour")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    constant(value="/")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    property(name="$qhour")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    constant(value="/")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    constant(value="log.json")
>>>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> action(type="omfile" DynaFile="jsonFilename"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Template="jsonFormat")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    We run a script at every 2, 17, 32, 47 minute of the hour
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and upload
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the just finished file to S3. The uploading works like this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - let's say it's 3:02:00, rsyslog is writing to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /path/2013-10-10/03/00/log.json
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - get the filename log.json (anything that's not current,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> just one previous file which in the example would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /path/2013-10-10/02/03/log.json)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - rename /path/2013-10-10/02/03/log.json to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /path/2013-10-10/02/03/log.json.uploading.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - reload rsyslog (to make sure that even if for some reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing to just renamed file it would close it and open a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - upload /path/2013-10-10/02/03/log.json.uploading.0 to S3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - remove /path/2013-10-10/02/03/log.json.uploading.0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's what happens every third run (yes, regularly EVERY
>>>>>>>>>>>>> THIRD RUN)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of this script:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - rsyslog stops writing to the CURRENT file
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (/path/2013-10-10/03/00/log.json, the one that is NOT being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> renamed)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> few seconds into the run of the script (e.g. 3:02:04)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - 6 hosts that were sending syslog messages to the log
>>>>>>>>>>>>> collector
>>>>>>>>>>>>> STOP
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sending anything (as verified by stracing rsyslogd, tcpdump
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> amazon AWS console metric for network in)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - after this nothing is ever written into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /path/2013-10-10/03/00/log.json
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    - the 6 clients start sending sysog messages again when the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> file
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is created (in this example it would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> /path/2013-10-10/03/01/log.json)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    I checked and double check the files, dates, verified that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> current file is not touched but can't figure out what's going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried the script without reload rsyslog but it didn't make any
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference. If I don't run this script rsyslog works
>>>>>>>>>>>>> flawlessly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    any ideas how to troubleshoot this? What could be causing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rsyslog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to stop writing to the file and for the senders to stop sending
>>>>>>>>>>>>> syslog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messages? I assume the rsyslog on the collector host somehow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signals
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the 6 hosts that send messages that it's not ready or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>    thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       erik
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