I think the answer to your "How long did we stay in Japan (Germany, Italy)" question cannot be answered yet. We're still occupying bases there I think. I really don't know though.
And I'm asking this question because I really don't know either: How much involvement do any of those countries have with us in Iraq? I'm assuming that by your logic these countries are better because we helped to re-build them. It does appear that way. Japan makes far better cars and electronics than the US. Germany also makes better autos. I'm not too sure about the benefit to Italy. But they do make excellent pizza toppings. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Boozer Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:28 PM To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE arethebadguys. Jobu - Questions for you: How long did we stay in Japan after WWII? How long did it take to establish a freely elected government in Japan after WWII? How do you think that democracy is coming along today? Would you consider our efforts there a success? What was the condition of Japan one year after the bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima? How long did we stay in Germany after WWII? How long did it take to establish a freely elected government in Germany after WWII? How do you think that democracy is coming along today? Would you consider our efforts there a success? What was the condition of Germany one year after the end of major combat operations in Europe? How long did we stay in Italy after WWII? How long did it take to establish a freely elected government in Italy after WWII? How do you think that democracy is coming along today? Would you consider our efforts there a success? What was the condition of Italy one year after the end of major combat operations in Europe? >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Behalf Of Joel Perry >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 12:53 PM >To: 'RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List' >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE >arethebadguys. > > >Pat wrote: "Right now, consider us doomed, because the average American >doesn't have the BALLS to do the right thing." > >Interesting that killing millions of innocent women, children and >non-violent Muslims with a nuclear bomb has now become the 'right >thing'. Oh >yeah, that's really American. > >We have no right to be in Iraq now. We have no right to take "what rightly >belongs to US" because it is not ours to take. According to that logic, we >should be taking everything in Japan and Germany too. > >Saddam has been captured (although we're about to return him to Iraq for a >'trial'). That, according to Dubya, was the reason to invade the country in >the first place. So why are we still there? Supposedly to help establish a >democracy. That will never work. Hell, we're completely in charge of the >entire country and the government now and WE can't make it work. And there >is talk that the US is planning to establish the largest concentration of >troops on foreign soil in Iraq. That's just more fish in the barrel. >Bringing Saddam to justice hasn't stopped the violence nor has it slowed it >down. > >I don't agree with nuking them all. I think we should withdraw all our >troops and let the rough ends drag. Let Iraq figure out how to >rule Iraq. No >where is it written that we should help them re-build their >country. Hell we >shouldn't have eft it up to start with. > >We're already implementing sanctions against Syria. I guess that is the >first step to invading them. I tend to think they might have a better and >more equipped army than did Saddam. According to many, all of Saddam's WMD >are buried there. We're not prepared to embark on another such journey into >a country that we no nothing about. > >Taking out Saddam may have been the right thing to do (if belief in the WMD >theory comes to light). Invading Iraq and now having to occupy the country >wasn't the best way of doing it. > >My gawd, the US can't decide on friggin' gay marriages. So what >gives us the >confidence to install a brand new gubmint in a country that we think needs >one? > >This entire war was a mistake from the start. And with each day, the extent >of how bad a mistake it is grows. > > > -----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Pat Smoot >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:05 AM >To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List >Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE >arethebadguys. > >I've tried to stay out of this because my opinion really defies >the PC's. I >agree with others that have said "Nuke the bastards". Nuke all the >bastards. We are so damn concerned with violating someone's rights that we >have fucked up our own country so damned bad that we've made Pat Buchanan >look like a liberal. This is all bullshit !! We need to do what is best >for us non welfare recipient Americans for a change. Take the >gotdamn oil & >I don't give a rat's ass who it is that claims it. Considering all the >money that we contribute those bastards in the Middle East, the damn oil >belongs to us. WE HAVE ALREADY PAID MUCH MORE THAN MARKET VALUE FOR THE >SHIT. The bullshit that Jobu & others have espoused make me sick to my >stomach. Too many TRUE Americans have given their lives for this country >for me to ever accept that we should coddle these Muthafuckers. Bring back >Swartscoff & let him have total control over our military. I was scared to >death that Al Gore would be elected & now we've got John Kerry to >deal with. >If this sumbitch gets elected, we all might as well put a gun to >our heads & >take the easy way out. If we can ever have a president that isn't >concerned >about all the political bullshit, no wait, Pat Buchanan tried to close our >borders long before 9/11, but he didn't receive any support because the >friggin liberals didn't support his anti-Mexican moat, we might stand a >chance. Right now, consider us doomed, because the average >American doesn't >have the BALLS to do the right thing. We are so damned concerned with our >image as PEACE givers, takers right up the ass that we won't ever do what >needs to be done. Again, "NUKE ALL THE BASTARDS" & let's take back our >country & what rightly belongs to US because us taxpayers have certainly >paid enough for it !! > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:40 AM >Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] NON - To the pacificists who think WE >arethebadguys. > > >> >> > >> > >> >I'm not sold on that idea, Joe. The Middle Eastern precious "black gold" >> >that you guys were talking about is a commodity that many nations can't >do >> >without. The post that Joel made earlier is a scenario that could grow >legs >> >and lead us and Europe down an even uglier path. Besides that, >the Muslim >> >extremist "Holy War" against America isn't going to just go >away any time >> >soon. They're not going to change and we're not going to change. They >hate >> >us and we hate them for hating us. I see us fighting in the Middle East >for >> >a long long time. This is a perilous situation that will require some >real >> >wisdom from world leaders to get it under control and resolved. >I'm sorry >> >but this has the feel of a powder keg that's about to blow sky >> >high if we're >> >not very careful. >> > >> >Rick >> > >> >> My thoughts are that we need to remove oil from the equation. >> >> We have all heard the urban legends for 20 or 30 years that we could >extract >> energy from water by seperating the highly combustible hydrogen from the >> oxygen in the H2O molecule. This seems feasable doesn't it? I'm just not >> sure that enough research is being done in this area and I really do >wonder >> if the oil lobby is strong enough to keep such research down or >if this is >> indeed just a stupid rumor. >> >> Then there is this process of creating oil by speeding up the >earth's heat >> and pressure process and turning waste into oil. A link is below: >> >> http://www.mindfully.org/Energy/2003/Anything-Into-Oil1may03.htm >> >> >> >> Anyway, these ideas could be pie in the sky BS, but I would sure like to >be >> able to approach this Muslim problem from a standpoint of not being >> dependent on them for anything at all. >> >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List >> >> "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" >> >> To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit >http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > >______________________________________________________ >RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List > >"Welcome to RollTideFan! 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