Stewart, all, Multiple incremental cost changes also bring some disadvantage as it turns 1 IGP event into N IGP events. This is an additional cost for process/applications triggering computations in response to an IGP event. e.g. BGP, FRR, some IGP loop free convergence techniques, TE/constraint routing, centralized optimization.... I would not be in favor in putting it in this doc.
One option may be to remove the link up from the document, possibly citing RFC 5715 (RTGWG Frameworkk for Loop-Free convergence which includes the Incremental Cost Advertisement proposal) to cover this case. Another option could be to make it optional. RFC2026 does not require implementation for STD/Proposed Standard document, so a fortiori do not require the implementation of all options of the document. Both are equally fine to me. Best regards, Bruno From: rtgwg [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2016 1:00 PM To: LITKOWSKI Stephane OBS/OINIS; Jeff Tantsura; Routing WG Subject: Re: progress of draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay Stephane Would some coarse increment version of incremental cost change be an appropriate compromise approach for link up? Stewart On 03/03/2016 10:57, [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Hi Jeff, There is two existing implementations of the link down. Based on the feedback from my testing, I need to update the draft to be more clear on the behavior when remote LSP is received before local detection happens. That's on my task list. For the link up , there was some feedback that tweaking the flooding machinery as a bad idea. One option may be to remove the link up. Best Regards, From: rtgwg [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Tantsura Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2016 20:06 To: Routing WG Subject: progress of draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay Hi RTGWG, Chris and I wanted to get a sense of how the working group would like to proceed regarding draft-ietf-rtgwg-uloop-delay For sake of simplicity - anyplace further in the email - any changes to proposed to the existing IGP timers behavior by uloop-delay draft will be called - "uloop-delay algorithm" The basic question for the working group is: Should we proceed towards publication of the draft more or less as is, or should we wait to incorporate feedback from one or more implementations of the uloop-delay algorithm? As far as we know, there haven't been any implementations of the proposed uloop-delay algorithm. It would be good to get an understanding if any implementations are in progress or planned. The uloop-delay algorithm proposed in the document seems quite reasonable. However, it is also quite possible that a single implementation would uncover some unforeseen issues or suggest improvements for the functioning of the algorithm in a single vendor network. Testing with two or more implementations may provide feedback to improve the algorithm with respect to the goal of having common uloop-delay timers in a multi-vendor network. But we won't know until that work is done. If there are implementations in progress or planned, then we think it would be worth waiting to incorporate feedback from those implementations before publishing. Instead, if there are no implementations planned, we have several options. We can proceed towards publication more or less as is, with WG last call in the near future. Or we can explicitly decide to wait to publish the document, leaving it either as an active WG document or as a parked WG document, and wait for one or more implementations. With the last option, we could leave open the option of publishing at some point in the future, even if no implementations appear. Personally, I am quite hopeful that there will be at least prototype implementations in the not too distant future. While it is very unlikely that a vendor would change their defaults, it can easily be implemented with a knob to activate this algorithm. This gives a simple way to try out the new algorithm incrementally, lowering the bar significantly for at least a prototype implementation. We look forward to hearing feedback from the WG on how to proceed with the draft. Cheers, Jeff _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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