Neeraj ji, My suggestion is you ask experience of others & if they are willing to join you in putting a case jointly against Sh. Ansari.
I am sure , like you there must be more people very unhappy with the decision & treatment meted out by Sh. Ansari to them. Thanks & Rgds On 4/4/09, Satish Kumar Kapoor <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Neeraj Agarwal > > Not only Mr Ansari, other ICs are equally corrupt. > > S.K.Kapoor > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, neeraj aggarwal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: neeraj aggarwal <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [rti_india] HELP: Appeal in HC against CIC Decision against CIC > Decision. > To: [email protected] > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 8:29 PM > > > > > > > Hello Sanjeev and respected all, > > Neither i fear from anybody nor i have any finance problem (will collect > some donations, rest from our own pocket). > > I agree that there is nobody to support but let us do whatever we could. > Help me with your individual expertise. > > The purpose i am going to file writ in HC is not for personal relief but to > make HC give some directions to CIC and direct the ministry concerned to > mend its ways. The RTIs i am filing are on behalf of an NGO and for general > cause. > > I was informed by a senior RTI expert even before my CIC hearing that CIC > Ansari is corrupt and the same happened to me. > > Let us save the human race from Corruption. > > Best Regards, > Neeraj Aggarwal > 09818332305 > http://sanesociety. wordpress. com > Stand and die in your own strength; if there is any sin in the world, it is > weakness; avoid all weakness, for weakness is sin, weakness is death. - > Swami Vivekananda > > PS: If you do not wish to receive further emails from this mail ID in > future, just reply to this mail and write "UNSUBSCRIBE" . > > --- On Fri, 3/4/09, sanjiva dayal <sanjivadayal@ yahoo.com> wrote: > > From: sanjiva dayal <sanjivadayal@ yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [rti_india] HELP: Appeal in HC against CIC Decision against CIC > Decision. > To: rti_in...@yahoogrou ps.com > Date: Friday, 3 April, 2009, 5:19 PM > > Dear Neeraj, > 1. > I have filed several appeals/complaints before CIC/SIC and in most of the > cases I have received good orders but some orders are against the provisions > of law and fact. We should file writs in HC against such bad orders but the > cost is prohibitive. > 2. > In developed countries there are NGO's and lawyers who take these matters to > court withour any cost to petitioner and they get fundings from various > sources. Unfortunately, in our country there are NGO's who get fundings but > they are not interested in taking matters to Court but are only interested > in staging agitation and dharna-pradarshans to get instant media > publicity. Alegal defect can only be cured through provision of law. In HC, > Allahabad no significant writ has been filed so far, wereas in HC > Punjab/Haryana several remarkable writs have been filed. > 3. > It is unfortunate that in India no NGO is interested in helping people to go > to Court. > > Sanjiva Dayal, B.Tech.(I.I. T. Kanpur) > > --- On Fri, 4/3/09, neeraj aggarwal <weaknessasin@ yahoo.co. in> wrote: > > From: neeraj aggarwal <weaknessasin@ yahoo.co. in> > Subject: [rti_india] HELP: Appeal in HC against CIC Decision against CIC > Decision. > To: "RTI-India Yahoogroup" <rti_in...@yahoogro u ps.com>, "SIF RTI Wing" > <SIF-RTIWing@ yahoogroups. com> > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 12:20 PM > > Hello Everybody, > > I had a hearing at CIC for my appeal and the IC was shri M. M. Ansari. I had > a very bad experience with this information commissioner and want to > appeal/review further. Please oblige me with your expertise. > > 1. Is there any time bar of appealing against the Decision of a central > Information commissioner in High Court. I read The Central Information > Commission (Management) Regulations, 2007 and didn't find any mention of > High Court appeal. Where can i find guidelines regarding appealing in the > High Court.. > > 2. In the The Central Information Commission (Management) Regulations, I > read that against the Decision of the Central Information commissioner an > appellant can write to Chief central Information Commissioner for "appeal or > review" of the decision u/s 23(2). Is it mandatory that we have to approach > the chief Central Information Commissioner first, before approaching the > Honb'le High Court? If so, can anybody provide me with the sample > appeal/review petition? > > 3. The Central IC M. M. Ansari has not followed any judicial discipline in > his order (http://cic.gov. in/CIC-Orders/ MA-26032009- 05.pdf). > Breif facts of the case are: > a) The event, a Round table conference with Men’s Group was conducted on > June 25, 2008. > b) The present RTI was filed on June 26, 2008. > c) The CPIO with Women and Child Development ministry (WCD) replied to above > RTI on July 28, 2008. > d) The first appeal with Appellate Authority was filed on August 12, 2008. > e) The Appellate Authority replied on August 22, 2008. > f) The 2nd Appeal with CIC was filed on November 11, 2008. > g) After receiving the copy of 2nd Appeal with CIC the WCD ministry supplied > some documents via a letter dated December 16, 2008 which was received by me > on December 23, 2008. > At the CIC hearing, The IC (Mr. Ansari): > > (i) He has not mentioned in his order about neither the first date of > hearing (23-02-09) when the respondent deliberately avoided their presence > nor about the proceeding of said date. > > (ii) In the first ex-parte hearing on 23-02-09, the IC starts arguing that > how could we seek info based on newspaper reports. I want to ask what are > the means of knowledge to the citizens, Except media, that what a ministry > is doing? The news was published and we asked the info based on that. If > there was no such happenning, the PIO or first appellate authority in their > respective replies must have denied that there is no such event took place > on that date. The IC further said you should have filed for inspection of > records as you demanded vague information. How could the copies of the > official agenda, the suggestions received from various stake-holders and the > list of invitees/participan ts of a round table conference are vague > information? > > (iii) We explained our grievances and it was decided that at least the > reason for 6-months delay in providing the information will be asked. > > (iv) In the second hearing on 26-03-09, IC just ignored our repeated request > to ask the respondent about the reason of such a long delay in providing the > partial information. Mere reply of PIO and first appellate authority (as in > para 3 of decision) can not be equated to providing information. > > (v) IC himself started defending the respondents that the suggestions and > representations received are third party information and PIO has already > obliged the appellant by providing the same. How could public > comments/suggestion s received by a ministry on some review of law could be > termed third party information and that is by the IC himself? > > (vi) Is the copy of second appeal forwarded to the CPIO and first appellate > authority, an another chance to the respondents to provide the information? > On an RTI filed on 26th june 2008, and after receiving the copy of second > appeal for filing their counter, if the CPIO provides some junk & misleading > info on 23rd Dec 2008, and even then IC is not asking the reason for delay, > is it not corruption in CIC? > > (vii) When we asked the IC, who is going to fix the accountability, you are > just saying that "you have got the information , otherwise under official > secrets act you would have not even got this". When I asked, do you have any > powers to impose penalty u/s 20(1) or not, he said "_NO_, you challenge and > I (ansari) will defend it". > > (viii) In para 4, The reply that ministry is in consultation with statke > holders on the suggestions received itself says that info is available but > not provided. The appellant had not demanded any action taken report on the > suggestions received but just the copy of the suggestions. Why the info at > first instance was not given even if the infor was available. How there is > "No denial of Information" ? > > (ix)Para 6: >> The CPIO replied and furnished partial information and for the remaining >> information the appellant was informed that the suggestions received from >> various stake-holders were being examined by the respondent in >> consultation with the National Commission for Women. > Contention: Without verifying, where the CPIO provided info? He just said we > are discussing? If the info is not with the ministry and it has been > forwarded to the National Commision for Women (NCW), why the CPIO didn't > forwarded the application to NCW as per section 6(3) of RTI, after providing > the info the ministry has? > >> Clearly, the complete information, as asked for, was not available. Hence, >> it could not be furnished. > The IC is pronouncing decisions based on presumption even when there is no > such reason given by either CPIO or first appellate authority that the info > is not available or not prepared at all. Can IC not ask the PIO, why after 6 > months of the consulation program, the meetings of minutes are not > available? Under section 4(1)(b)(viii) every public authority need to make > meeting of minutes. > > (x) The IC had not even ordered the respondents to invite us for inspection > of records for remaining information. Why we need to file a separate > application again for the same, as you all could see from his decision? > > (xi) How IC can comment like "Ministry has other works to do, like food > programs for children etc..."? IC ansari had crossed his jurisdiction. The > way Ansari was protecting the respondents, I smell a foul play here and I do > not see any recourse but to seek justice from the Honb'le High court. > > (x) Last para: >> As regards the appellant’s allegations against the respondent for not >> drawing up the formal minutes in respect of the Consultation programme, >> the appellant is advised to approach the competent authority with a plea >> to do the needful as per the established practices. > Even on request why ansari not ordered the respondents to prepare formal > minutes of meetings and provide to the appellant? Does an IC has power of, > require the public authority to take any such steps as may be necessary to > secure compliance with the provisions of the RTI Act: > 1. by making necessary changes to its practices in relation to the > maintenance, management and destruction of records u/s 19(8)(a)(iv) and > 2. by providing it with an annual report in compliance with clause (b) of > sub-section (1) of section 4 u/s 19(8)(a)(vi) ; > > I have other appeals pending to be heard on 16-04-09, against same > respondents and with the same IC ansari. Ansari is a corrupt man and as per > the Honb'le Suprme court justice Justice Markande Katju "Corrupt should be > hanged from lamp post". I will hang Ansari, help me. It was a shocking first > experience for me. > > Please help me by suggesting, On what law points (w.r.t the above mentioned > CIC decision) I can challenge ansari's decision in the Honb'le HC. > > > Best Regards, > Neeraj Aggarwal > 09818332305 > http://sanesociety. wordpress. com > Stand and die in your own strength; if there is any sin in the world, it is > weakness; avoid all weakness, for weakness is sin, weakness is death. - > Swami Vivekananda > > PS: If you do not wish to receive further emails from this mail ID in > future, just reply to this mail and write "UNSUBSCRIBE" . > > Connect with friends all over the world. Get Yahoo! India Messenger at > http://in.messenger .yahoo.com/ ?wm=n/ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website. 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