Dear Mr Roy Now I conclude that the my views are due to limited vision. Responsible use of RTI is a must for me too. I shall be more careful in future.
Regards Trivendra On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:14 PM, sroy1947 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear Trivendra, > > You posed me 3 examples and asked for my opinion. Now I shall in turn pose > 3 queries /examples: > > 1) A project to provide safe/clean drinking water to 10,000 persons in > arsenic affected region is sanctioned for say Rs. 10 crores with foreign aid > routed through a Central Ministry. Even the foreign donor knows very well > that Rs.3 crores is going as bribes to all concerned. Now along comes a > "honest" and "upright" officer and he delays the project for 1 year citing > rules and regulations. The foreign donor is fed up, he has already paid 1 > crore in bribes with no progress so he cancels this project's aid. Result: > No water and thousands of people get even more affected. This is a true > account affecting one of our group members. > > 2) A foreign aid agency wants to donate 10,000,000 good quality condoms > Free of Charge to any aid agency /NGO who wants it. The concerned Minister > demands Rs 1 crore from one of this group's members to facilitate it and > suggests that it could be routed through her relative's NGO. > > 3) Today in almost every State, the Constitutional system of "checks and > balances" has totally broken down. IAS baboos are now acting as middlemen to > broker deals for politicans and vice-versa. The top judiciary is routinely > factored into every deal roughly in the ratio 15% to Mantri/netas, 10% for > babus and 5% for Judges. So straightaway 30% of every project is allotted as > speed money / chai paani. And 30% is a conservative estimate In a recent > deal under process involving purchase of fighter aircraft - everyone knows > that the Scandinavian co - Viggen is the best fighter and the cheapest, but > the order is probably going to the USA or France who are 90% more expensive. > > So where in these examples would RTI help you UNLESS you are an insider. > RTI is only a diagnostic tool - it has no curative value. > > > Sarbajit > > --- In [email protected] <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com>, Trivendra > <trivendra.sha...@...> wrote: > > > > Dear Mr Roy, > > > > To some extent you are right. But unfortunately, not fighting corruption > > through RTI, I do not agree with you. > > > > My Regret. > > > > Trivendra > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 2:19 PM, sroy1947 <sroy1...@...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > This refers to your queries, answered in seriatim :- > > > > > > 1) You should NOT use RTI to ask for salaries pending for 3 years. You > > > SHOULD use your alternate remedies instead. > > > > > > 2), 3) RTI Act is NOT to be used to fight corruption DIRECTLY. > Corruption > > > is a fact of life, and corruption is a necessary evil - I stress > > > "necessary". Using RTI Act to "fight" corruption will only encourage it > and > > > make you a frustrated person. > > > > > > 4) When you joined public service you took an oath to serve the public. > > > When there is power shortage, you should remember that you are a public > > > "servant" and should be content with what you have. > > > > > > 5) Regarding time periods, I say that that you Sir are impractical. > When > > > even after 4 years the Hon'ble CIC cannot ensure that public authority > > > provides me copy of its governing an Act of Parliament you can be sure > that > > > RTI is dead. All "we" are doping is poking the corpse and stripping it > bare. > > > > > > Sarbajit > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <rti_india%40yahoogroups.com><rti_india% > 40yahoogroups.com>, Trivendra > > > > <trivendra.sharma@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Mr Roy > > > > > > > > I would like to bring to your kind notice > > > > > > > > (1) Should one not ask for salary through RTI paymant which is > pending > > > for > > > > last 3 years (this fact is relivent in reference to 32000 teachers > > > appointed > > > > in primary education department in uttar paradesh and every teacher > in > > > > his/her personal capacity). > > > > > > > > (2) The teacher after retirement above 10 years has not got service > > > period > > > > benefits as he/she could not grease the palm of officers. > > > > > > > > (3) Illegal construction done by few on the greasing some govt > officials, > > > > should one not file an RTI application. > > > > > > > > (4) recently UP govt has a derive for increasing power load to public > but > > > > not for its officials should it not be asked in personal capacity > under > > > RTI > > > > on account of which there is frequent power cut. > > > > > > > > > > > > Precisely speaking I mean to say that there are many topics which > seem us > > > to > > > > be of personl nature on sitting in New Delhi; use of RTI is such > cases is > > > > suggested to be not preferred, but how the people get relief from > > > miseries > > > > they suffer so economicaly. > > > > > > > > People of the country need much more speedy relief from their > suffering > > > than > > > > envisaged in RTI (30 days). I have alredy written in my previous mail > > > that > > > > the time of 30 days allowed for reply be reduced gradully to 15 days. > In > > > > case it is reduced to 10 days I shall welcome that day with firm > belief > > > that > > > > most of the information by that day shall be in public domin instead > of > > > > files in bookselfs. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Trivendra > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:40 PM, sroy1947 <sroy1947@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For many years this group has stood for a certain brand of RTI > > > > > which included ALL the following pre-requisites > > > > > > > > > > a) Filing RTIs only if absolutely necessary, > > > > > > > > > > b) Filing RTIs only after throughly checking out the PA's > > > > > proactive disclosure (especially on their website), > > > > > > > > > > c) Filing RTIs in the larger public interest, > > > > > > > > > > d) Filing RTIs after anticipating and considering all the > > > > > PIOs potential exemptions / tactics, > > > > > > > > > > e) OPPOSING disclosure of "file notings" and victimisation of > > > > > honest officers by RTI etc. > > > > > > > > > > This philosophy was evolved after observing that ALL the 'haraamis' > > > > > of RTI were proposing the exact opposite ie, > > > > > > > > > > a) File as many RTIs as you want - there is no bar in the RTI Act > > > > > > > > > > b) Section 4 and section 6 operate in 2 different/ distinct spheres > > > > > (section 4 is what "they" GIVE you - section 6 is what "we" TAKE > from > > > > > "them"). > > > > > > > > > > c) File RTIs to sort out your private grievances against > Municipality, > > > > > Police, service matters etc etc. > > > > > > > > > > d) You dont need to read RTI Act, just keep asking "questions", > > > "queries" > > > > > etc to the PIO and he must "reply" to you in 30 days or else be > > > penalised. > > > > > > > > > > e) It is only through seeing file notings that you will be able to > > > identify > > > > > the dishonest and corrupt officers. > > > > > > > > > > The most public proponent of this other brand of RTI was the late > > > Prakash > > > > > Kardaley - founder of HJ (who incidentally claimed never to have > filed > > > an > > > > > RTI in his life). > > > > > > > > > > At the end of the day - it is upto you to choose what style of RTI > you > > > wish > > > > > to practice - for this reveals what kind of person you are. I have > made > > > my > > > > > choice a long time back. > > > > > > > > > > Sarbajit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Try to be part of solution. It will add your value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Try to be part of solution. It will add your value > > > > > -- Try to be part of solution. It will add your value
