On 12/20/07, Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would agree with that, but since SQLServer was pulled from core in
> 2.0, I don't think it would be good to make it the default in any
> scenario
Agree 100%.
Of all of the open-source databases that Rails supports out
> of the box in 2.0, Windows users will at least have heard of MySQL and
> a little googling finds wide acceptance among big-name companies. I
> think SQLLite, however, is hardly known at all.
One way of fixing the popularity problem is to use just sqlite in the
default install. A lot of Windows developers could well discover that
sqlite is easier to use (no need to monkey with admin interfaces and
permissions; rake db:create just works) and every bit as good for their
needs as mysql. Personally, I use sqlite for development and mysql for
production. It's a great setup. I'm surprised I didn't try sqlite until
Rails 2.0 suggested it.
The scenario I'm trying to solve is this:
>
> 1. Windows developer wants to take the brave step of trying out Rails.
> 2. She picks up any Rails book on the market, finds out she needs to
> install MySQL and the Ruby One-Click Installer, and does a gem install
> rails
> 3. She types "rails hello_world" and creates one model
> 4. Big Problems
Every book I've seen starts with setting up database.yaml. You omit that
step and then worry that the user's app won't work. Well, if you omit that
step with Rails 1.2, your app will have Big Problems too! (I think you're
overstating your case a wee bit).
There will also be Big Problems when the user tries to use pagination or
list examples... or the functional test examples shown in the book... etc.
I don't think anybody expects a book on Rails 1.0 is going to be fully
compatible with Rails 2.0.
Perhaps I should change the --help text to read, "Default: sqlite3 (or
> MySQL if sqlite3 gem is not found)." ? That would be fine with me.
That's still arbitrarily modifying the defaults isn't it? Seems to me like
this will cause more trouble than it solves.
I really don't think Windows users are as clueless as you make them out to
be. The majority of them anyway. ;)
- Scott
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