Hi Rob,

I seem to have missed this post last week.

I think the points that you make are entirely valid. A lot of AJAX
requests are done in an unobtrusive manner, to enhance the user
experience, e.g. the type-ahead search such that you see on Google
maps.

Then there are the AJAX requests that should be more obtrusive, e.g. a
form submitted using AJAX. I think that this would be a valid use of
LOAJAX, but only as a supplement to a more visual feedback mechanic as
is typically used.

Cheers,

Kelvin.

On Nov 9, 12:09 am, RobG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Nov 8, 11:03 pm, "Richard Quadling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > On 08/11/2007, RobG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Nov 8, 8:43 am, Kelvin Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone,
>
> > > > Just a quick post to let you know of a new prototype add-on that I've
> > > > created calledLOAJAX.
>
> > > >LOAJAXadds real browser feedback to Prototype's Ajax calls.
>
> > > OK, you've got me.  I don't see any difference regardless of browser,
> > > is that the point?
>
> > Ha ha. Shall we tell him?
>
> > Look at the browser spinner/throbber.
>
> That pretty much sums it up - it's interesting technically, but does
> it deliver anything useful?  UI design is not something that I claim
> to be an expert (or even competent) in.  However, that's not going to
> stop me expressing an opinion.  :-)
>
> The "page loading" indicator is different in each browser, generally
> it is somewhere at the top and toward the right (in some browsers, the
> extreme top right) which is about the last place users will look when
> a page is loading.  They are generally concentrating either on the top
> left (where content will usually first appear) or on the spot they
> just interacted with (the submit button, the field they modified,
> whatever).  So there is little point in using a subtle animation in a
> location that is unlikely to be noticed.  There's a reason why most
> page load animations are set to occur right in the middle of the
> screen or window.  :-)
>
> What is a user to make of the indication that a page is loading?
> Clearly that is inappropriate in some cases (e.g. type-ahead searches)
> but useful in others (clicking a button that is supposed to do
> something).  So the fact that an interaction is occuring with the
> server is not what the user needs to know about, and it's another
> choice for programmers to decide which effect should be used for what
> action (and programmers are notoriously bad judges of that).
>
> Also, if what the user just did is important from a business process
> perspective, they need more feed back than "the page was loading...
> the page stoped loading... something", they need to be told explicitly
> "you just updated the foo record" or similar.
>
> I focus on the status bar since that has useful information (I use
> Safar).  So while the page loading indicator is doing its thing at the
> top (and increasingly more to the right as tabs are added) my focus is
> at the other end of the window.
>
> My overall impression is that this is an interesting novelty that adds
> little to the user experience.  But I may be mistaken about that.
>
> --
> Rob
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