Thank all of you gentleman very much. As I read your suggestions, it occurs to me that I have perhaps not modelled what I need to do smartly -- and that is making this further complicated. I have a number of models which I need t ocombine into a view. For instance, I have an players model, which I need to make a list of (batting order) (which is what I want to be able to drag into from the team, and out of), this list to occur on the left side of the view, and in the center, I will put rows containing informations (my info 'model' class) that have occured throughout the game, with various link_to's in he informations.
So I have all these data models that I must put into one composited view. And I am really lost now how one might do this in rails. I do not have a model for this compositied view (though, I could make one -- consistening of two arrays) but then how would I save all this in the db (right now I have info and player model) and the fact that the data for this composited view doesn;t need to be persisted. This really is at the core of my problems here I suppose - and I have no idea how to set this up. -Janna B On Jun 27, 7:16 am, Frederick Cheung <[email protected]> wrote: > On Jun 27, 2:49 am, JannaB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Exactly -- or so I am learning. Look, the scriptaculous stuff. for > > instance, is laden with examples. Trying to do the same thing in > > rails, though purported to be "easier," and more expeditious, is > > actually a complete pain -- the absence of exampls & documentation > > really holds you back and squanders my time. Heneforth, as a matter of > > design philosophy, I think we are FAR better tos stick to html/ > > javascript/css and only use rails to tie back into on the server side. > > > THAT SAID....I am wondering where I tie rails into the source on: > > >http://www.gregphoto.net/sortable/advanced/ > > > and if I cannot tie into it somehow, easily, might as well find a > > different mechanism than RoR -- to my way of thinking and my limited > > experience with RoR, if it cannot at least do that easily, it's > > pointless to pursue as a viable platform for web development. -Janna > > B. > > At the end of the day, Rails is mostly a server side thing. In any > sensible world your choice of front end tools (javascript libraries > and so on) doesn't impact on the backend (be it rails, a php framework > etc.). > > Making a list like that with items from your app doesn't require big > chunks of integration. create the html for the list items as you would > for a completely static display (just ensuring that each element has a > DOM id). Then you need to run the javascript that will setup the > scriptaculous side of things. If you want to do exactly what that > example website does then you might have to generate some javascript > yourself (rails can make the script tags for you but then you need to > fill in the blanks), or if what you want is what the scriptaculous > helpers do then something like > > <%= sortable_element 'message_list', > :url => sort_things_path, > :complete=> visual_effect(:highlight, 'message_list'), > :tag => 'div'%> > > will do the trick. > > Fred > > > On Jun 26, 4:29 pm, Conrad Taylor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Janna, this was mentioned at Railsconf 2009 during the Rails Core > > > Panel talk. It was actually the second question from the start of the > > > talk. In short, one should understand the underlying technologies > > > instead of trying to always abstracting it away. > > > > -Conrad > > > > On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:04 AM, JannaB <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > And I further agree with you -- I think we all need to bite the bullet > > > > and become js experts rather than depending on Rails to do it for us. > > > > The problem is, if I look at all this JS that I am seeing in this > > > > example, I am trying to discern where in my rails app I pick up these > > > > values? -Janna B. > > > > > On Jun 26, 2:02 pm, JannaB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thanks Fred, > > > > > Yes, this is immensely frustrating -- I've lost 3 days working on > > > > > this, and looking at examples that don;t cut it -- there is a vacuum > > > > > of documentation really, and it seems to be a very RoR thing "Yes, > > > > > this is fast and easy to do in RoR with this library/plugin/gem," but > > > > > when you go to actually do it, you are left with total trial and > > > > > error. > > > > > > No wonder the dork frameworks like Java Struts are so much more > > > > > prevelant. In truth, those frameworks may just be faster and easier to > > > > > use -- I've been trying to accomplish things here that frankly don;t > > > > > pay off in terms of the time curve. No one seems to know how to use > > > > > the Scritpatuclous library's aside from mickey mouse effects. > > > > > > -Janna B. > > > > > > On Jun 25, 11:43 am, Frederick Cheung <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On Jun 25, 3:32 pm, JannaB <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > If I look at a page with a Scriptaculous example like: > > > > > > anks Fred > > > > > > >http://www.gregphoto.net/sortable/advanced/ > > > > > > > > And I can view the html/js source of the page -- my question > > > > > > > becomes, > > > > > > > how do I implement this, or wire this into, my rails app? -Janna B > > > > > > > You need to , one way or another, generate the javascript that sets > > > > > > up > > > > > > the scriptaculous stuff (ie create instances of Sortable for > > > > > > appropriate dom elements and so on). There are helpers > > > > > > (draggable_element and so ) that sort of do this for you but > > > > > > personally I feel that most of that stuff is a bit of a crutch and > > > > > > that you'd be better off biting the bullet and learning enough > > > > > > javascript/scriptaculous that you can just write it on your own. > > > > > > > Fred --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
