Can't agree more with what has been said here. I'm a C#.Net developer that is transitioning to Ruby (finally! Bought the pickaxe three years ago and never got around to it...). Yes VS is a fabulous productivity tool, but I've seen plenty of new developers get stumped for lack of understanding of the HTML, Javascript and C# that goes behind it.
If all you want to do is learn programming, then it's a matter of personal preference. If anything, getting your hands "dirtier" in Ruby will make you a better programmer, as without the comfort of VS you'll have to go deeper :) On Aug 2, 9:48 am, Matt Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > The real issue that experienced programmers will point out about > anything that comes with a giant IDE is that, ultimately, the IDE is > an absolute necessity. Many of the frameworks supported by heavy IDEs > are so verbose that it's simply impossible to set everything up by > hand (see the current state of Java web apps for an example - XML 'til > it hurts!). > > Furthermore, quite a bit of the functionality in Visual Studio - > things like creating app skeletons, etc - is essentially covered by > the CLI generators that packages like Rails provide. Maybe not as > glitzy, but they work. > > Finally, the value of having the entire platform's source code can't > be overstated - it may be intimidating at first, but reading the Rails > source can be extremely valuable to a new developer. It's also the > documentation of last resort... :) > > --Matt Jones > > On Aug 1, 4:54 pm, Marcus Muller <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Not trolling here, but genuinely trying to figure out what to use for a > > project I'd like to create. I'm very new to programming (some intro > > classes at university) and am debating between learning asp.net versus > > ruby on rails to create the project. > > > I'd very much prefer to learn ruby, but it seems like the asp.net IDE is > > better for someone new to web programming like myself. The ability to > > use a wysiwyg design view in visual studio is a big plus to me since I > > don't know how to seriously code pages, buttons, drop downs, tree menus, > > and other stuff. Sure, I could learn this given some time, but I > > actually have limited time and would prefer not to attack all of this > > from the ground up. > > > I tried loading textmate and, while I appreciate how great it would be > > if I knew what I was doing, there seems to be less "hand-holding" for > > someone like myself. I was pretty daunted by the big blank page in the > > middle! My first impression of Visual studio was that it seems to > > provide more support and have more tools I can use like properties > > dialogs, the wysiwyg design view, etc. There was just more I could > > immediately relate to as opposed to textmate. > > > I assume I'm missing something here and am looking for help. Is there a > > good integrated IDE that allows me to code RoR and also do wysiwyg > > design to cut corners on the web design aspects of things? > > > Thanks in advance. > > > msm > > -- > > Posted viahttp://www.ruby-forum.com/. --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
