On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Peter De Berdt <[email protected]>wrote:
> > On 27 Nov 2009, at 14:41, Conrad Taylor wrote: > > Peter, I tend to use Fireworks CS4 to slice up the PSD to generate HTML, > CSS, and images. This gives me the initial cut of the design in HTML and > CSS. Then I'll use both Dreamweaver CS4 and Textmate. Dreamweaver has > embedded the WebKit engine so that I can see the changes to my site code > without opening a browser. Thus, I tend to do most of the CSS and HTML in > it. Next, I use Textmate mostly for the RoR and Ruby specific things > because Dreamweaver provides the ability to invoke Textmate from DW. > In short, I use the best tool(s) for the job and I haven't hit any walls > but leveraged other toolsets. > > > Yes, but even then you are handcoding most of the page in Dreamweaver, > aren't you? It basically means you have a very expensive handcoding IDE (but > the price of course justifies itself if it makes you more productive, it > doesn't for me, even though I had to use Dreamweaver for years, so I know my > way around). > > No, most of the hand coding is actually happening in Textmate. DW allows me to use Textmate as the code editor. Next, Web Developer Premium is part of my development toolbox and it has paid for itself many times over. Furthermore, CS4 suite of tools is cheap compared to my license for Autodesk Maya and Mathematica. BTW, I work as a computer scientist in the areas of AI, Animation, VR, and Web. > Depending on the project, I'm also using Fireworks to slice up the > graphics. Most projects we do however tend to be about structure first, > having to keep in mind how the data will flow in it and make sure either > Rails or Javascript will easily be able to push the data in, i.e. the HTML > needs to be very straightforward. Doesn't mean the final result isn't > graphically impressive. > > I have learned how to generate a semantically structured HTML + CSS out of Firewroks and I can usually have a working prototype up in a short amount of time. I have learned a lot of tricks and shortcuts from some of the masters. It's about knowing how to properly use your tools and to apply the right tool for the job. Our goal is usually to get it working because the our clients really do not care what use and how you use it. They simply want a solution. Some projects I have implemented the in Smalltalk or Lisp because it was much more productive in those languages to get the job done. > However, the code that Dreamweaver generates as a pure WYSIWYG editor is > just horrendous, especially in the hands of a designer who doesn't grasp > HTML+CSS in the slightest. Yes, the result renders, but having to work with > the generated code for creating dynamic pages is a real pain. > > Yes, I agree with you 100% because the various Javascript generators within DW tend to place code in your well formed XHTML instead of a .js file or both. Thus, I tend to stay away from them most of the time within DW. However, the HTML + CSS export feature in Fireworks does exactly what you want it to do because if you slice your PSD in a structured manner, then the HTML + CSS looks very nice. In short, you should enjoy using the tools/technologies at your disposal and also try to learn about new ones when you can. It simply makes for a well rounded software developer in my opinion. -Conrad > Hope this clears things up a bit. > > > Best regards > > > Peter De Berdt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<rubyonrails-talk%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ruby on Rails: Talk" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rubyonrails-talk?hl=en.
