Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:
> Robert Walker wrote:
>> Marnen Laibow-Koser wrote:
>>> Whereas I'd use it in preference to the JS, because it's more reliably 
>>> guaranteed to work.
>> 
>> I've given up the battle to make everything work without JavaScript.
> 
> I have not and will not, except in isolated circumstances.

Good for you. I commend you on your efforts.

>> JavaScript is most certainly winning this fight. 
> 
> It's not an issue of winning.  I'm perfectly happy to use JS where it's 
> necessary (with appropriate degradation), but I think it is silly, in 
> most cases, to use it to duplicate HTML features.
> 
>> Hardly anyone disables 
>> it anymore so I think it safe enough to be relying on it. 
> 
> Now that's just not true at all.  If nothing else, lots of mobile 
> browsers have deficient or nonexistent JS implementation -- even on 
> smartphones like the BlackBerry Curve.  (I speak from experience.)

Such dumb devices would likely need their own dumbed down page anyway. I 
won't base my pages targeted for "real" browsers based on dumb mobile 
devices.

>> For those few 
>> holdouts that are disabling it, the refresh feature won't work so they 
>> have to reload the page themselves. That still beats refreshing the 
>> entire page with no option to disable that "feature."
> 
> Depends on the use case.  And you *could* use an iframe to do something 
> similar without JS, though that has its own compatibility issues.

True enough. However, I don't like iframes much better than the meta 
refresh.
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