Sorry, I did go a bit overboard On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Tim Chevalier <catamorph...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hey Tiffany -- > > Just wanted to let you know that I thought this was a totally > appropriate email on your part :-) Normally I would warn about the > code of conduct, but tbh, in this case I think Greg deserved it. > > Just my opinion, of course, and not the official opinion of the team :-) > > That said, when you want to shut people down in the future (a role > that is very much needed given the number of cranks that Rust > attracts, especially now that neither I nor Graydon will be mods after > this week), try to do it in a way that you can argue is "kind and > courteous" (as per the conduct section of > https://github.com/mozilla/rust/wiki/Note-development-policy ), so > that the other list mods will have no reason to criticize it :-) > > Cheers, > Tim > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:15 AM, Tiffany Bennett <tiff...@stormbit.net> > wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Greg <g...@kinostudios.com> wrote: > >> > >> I think it's still possible to simplify Rust's existing syntax while > >> maintaining the features it offers. > > > > > > You haven't actually explained which syntax you want to remove. > > > >> > >> I'm almost certain that the answer is "no" (partly because these > >> languages/dialects did not exist at the time). > > > > > > The language is very similar in semantics to OCaml, to say that Rust is > only > > inspired by C++ would be a lie. > > > >> What about Lua, which is more C-like? > > > > > > You've obviously never used Lua, it's nothing like C. > > > >> Or CoffeeScript? > > > > > > Coffeescript is the exact opposite of what you ask - it's a superset of > > javascript that adds some syntax sugar. The fact it compiles to very > > readable javascript is a testament to this. > > > >> > >> The list contains some bad role models (in terms of syntactic elegance > and > >> simplicity): C++, Haskell, OCaml, and Ruby. > > > > > > I seriously doubt your taste in syntax if you think Haskell and OCaml are > > undesirable. > > > >> > >> Thankfully Common Lisp is mentioned. Although, of the Lisps I'm familiar > >> with, Common Lisp has the ugliest syntax (still better than C++ though). > > > > > > You are clearly misusing the word "syntax"... Common lisp's syntax > consists > > of only S-exprs and the quote sugar, as other lisps do. > > > >> This is all to say that, from what I can tell, simplicity and elegance > of > >> syntax was not a design requirement (or goal) that the Rust developers > had > >> in mind. > > > > > > The goal of Rust was to produce a type-safe, memory-safe, programmer-safe > > programming language, in the niche of system's languages. > > > >> And I think that's quite unfortunate for Rust. > > > > > > It's quite unfortunate that the language doesn't abide by your nebulous, > > sparsely defined ideas of what a "good" language looks like? > > > >> > >> I'm sorry I was not able to provide this feedback years ago when it > might > >> have been more helpful. I only recently became aware of Rust. > > > > > > I doubt it would have been taken seriously then. > > > >> > >> - Greg > >> > >> -- > >> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also > sharing > >> with the NSA. > >> > >> On Nov 11, 2013, at 3:46 PM, Corey Richardson <co...@octayn.net> wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Greg <g...@kinostudios.com> wrote: > >> > >> At this state in Rust's development, we are unlikely to make any major > >> changes to Rust's syntax. > >> > >> > >> *cries* > >> > >> > >> I don't think Rust can succeed as a language if it massively differs, > >> visually, from the language it intends to offset (C++). > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rust-dev mailing list > >> Rust-dev@mozilla.org > >> https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev > >> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rust-dev mailing list > > Rust-dev@mozilla.org > > https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/rust-dev > > > > > > -- > Tim Chevalier * http://catamorphism.org/ * Often in error, never in doubt > "If you are silent about your pain, they'll kill you and say you enjoyed > it." > -- Zora Neale Hurston >
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