On 12/03/2013 06:02 AM, Benjamin Striegel wrote:
> The idea of an online user forum would be that people with an
interest in Rust can read in the user forum which is easier to peruse
than some mail list archive. Asking and getting answers seems to work
more fluently.
I agree with the principle, but we have yet to identify what users
would actually want to peruse in a discussion forum. For questions, we
have StackOverflow. For keeping up with the cool projects that the
community is working on, we have reddit. Piggybacking on established
platforms will lead to easier discoverability and broader readership.
I also believe that we should lean heavily on external resources
wherever possible. Maintaining our own infrastructure is very time
consuming and we've already got a lot. We could put more focus on
stackoverflow by linking it from the wiki and encouraging community
members to curate it better (I know I haven't looked at it in a long time).
Currently, I'm more in favor of adding a rust-users mailing list than
setting up a web forum, but there are pros and cons to each approach:
* creating another *type* of venue for general discussion runs the risk
of dividing the user base
* mailing lists are easy to create and administer at Mozilla
* web forums can be much easier to moderate, and we've had a few
incidents on the mailing list recently
* mailing lists are simple to archive and maintaining a record of Rust's
development is imortant to me
* if we did set up a forum, it seems like we should shut down the
mailing list to avoid dividing the user base, which feels kind of
unfortunate simply because having a mailing list is a matter of pride
Which isn't to say that a discussion forum won't be warranted sometime
in the future, but for now we're getting along quite well with the
free alternatives provided by the broader web.
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 3:43 AM, <jeti...@web.de
<mailto:jeti...@web.de>> wrote:
The idea of an online user forum would be that people with an
interest in Rust can read in the user forum which is easier to
peruse than some mail list archive. Asking and getting answers
seems to work more fluently.
There is really hell going on on the Go users forum:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=de#!forum/golang-nuts
<https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=de#%21forum/golang-nuts> An
online forum seems to intensivy people's interest in some
language. But it's certainly your language and your decision what
you want to do.
Regards, Oliver
*Gesendet:* Dienstag, 03. Dezember 2013 um 07:35 Uhr
*Von:* "Eric Reed" <ecr...@cs.washington.edu
<mailto:ecr...@cs.washington.edu>>
*An:* "David Piepgrass" <qwertie...@gmail.com
<mailto:qwertie...@gmail.com>>
*Cc:* "rust-dev@mozilla.org <mailto:rust-dev@mozilla.org>"
<rust-dev@mozilla.org <mailto:rust-dev@mozilla.org>>
*Betreff:* Re: [rust-dev] Rust forum
Well there's always r/rust/ <http://www.reddit.com/r/rust/>. It
usually works pretty well.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:45 PM, David Piepgrass
<qwertie...@gmail.com <http://qwertie...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 02/12/2013 16:21, David Piepgrass wrote:
> That would be so. much. better. than a mailing list.
Hi. Could you expand on this? I don?t necessarily
disagree, but as the
one proposing change it?s up to you to convince everyone
else :)
--
Simon Sapin
Okay, well, I've never liked mailing lists at all, because:
1. In non-digest mode, My inbox gets flooded.
2. In digest mode, it's quite inconvenient to write a reply,
having to cut out all the messages that I don't want to reply
to and manually edit the subject line. Also, unrelated
messages are grouped together while threads are broken apart,
making discussions harder to follow.
3. In email I don't get a threaded view. If I go to mailing
list archives to see a threaded view, I can't reply.
4. I have to manually watch for replies to my messages or to
threads I'm following. If someone mentions my name (not that
they would), I won't be notified.
In contrast, Discourse has a variety of email notification
options. I don't know if those options are enough to please
everybody, but you can probably configure it to notify you
about all posts, which makes it essentially equivalent to a
mailing list. It supports reply by email, so those that prefer
a mailing list can still pretend it's a mailing list.
Currently I'm getting an shrunk digest of Discourse Meta--by
email I only get a subset of all messages, auto-selected by
Discourse, whatever it thinks is interesting. That's good for
me: I really don't want to see every message.
Plus, a mailing list offers less privacy as it mandates
publishing your email address. That's not a big deal for me
personally, but do you really want to require that from every
Rust user?
(btw, if I'm wrong about any of the above points, I promise
there are lots of other netizens out there who have the same
misconception(s), so many of them will avoid mailing lists.
The fact that y'all are talking to me on a mailing list
suggests that the disadvantages of a mailing list are not a
big deal *to you*, but as for those who aren't participating,
you can't conclude *they* prefer mailing lists.)
And like mailing lists, Discourse also supports private messages.
I don't understand why Paul mentioned GPG. You want to encrypt
messages to a public mailing list? You can sign messages, but
surely almost no one actually checks the signature, and I'd be
surprised if Discourse didn't offer some built-in evidence of
identity (surely it's not like email in letting you spoof the
sender name easily?).
I heard discourse supports attachments, just that you may have
to go to the forum to attach or download them (rather than by
email).
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