On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 01:18:01PM +0530, "Jagadeesh N. Malakannavar" 
<[email protected]> wrote:
> I am using Linux Mint 9. I have started borderless urxvt. I am unable to
> move it OR resize it.

This is indeed a problem of your wm.

Either it indeed doesn't support MWM hints or, more subtly, it doesn't
announce support for it (or your urxvt was compiled without support for
"frills").

You can check for support by uisng this command:

   xlsatoms -name _MOTIF_WM_INFO

If you get something like this (number might vary):

   576     _MOTIF_WM_INFO

Then your wm officially supports mwm hints. If you get:

   xlsatoms:  no atom named "_MOTIF_WM_INFO" on server ":0.0"

Then it says it doesn't support motif window hints.

If your wm is supposed to support mwm hints but doesn't annoucne support
for it this is a bug in it and should be reported.

(A surprising number of newer window managers fails to implement mwm hints
properly).

On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 09:19:40AM +0000, Thomas Adam <[email protected]> wrote:
> This does seem counter-intuitive to me, falling back to such a harsh
> "default" -- I fail to see how not being able to set MWM-hints on the
> client window should then render the window outside of the window
> manager's control in this way.

It's only counter-intuitive because you assume there is an alternative,
but there really isn't. The borderless option exists to make the window
borderless - it would neither be helpful nor intuitive to users if it
would simply be ignored.

> Most other window managers would allow you to remove their parent
> window's border, a la FVWM:

This is an alternative to achieve a similar effect, and fvwm in particular
allows you to implement a lot of border style options as well.

And indeed, it implements mwm hints.

I don't think at this time and age there exists an excuse for a wm to not
implement mwm hints, they are established, widely used and quite old.

So the counter-intuitive thing is simply that in 2010 we still have wms
that fail to implement even the most basic window management. The fix is
to improve the wm or not to rely on such an abysmally implemented wm.

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