and he notes - I lightened the photos sent for a better look:
http://fishburn.us/48401.jpg http://fishburn.us/48403.jpg It sure makes a difference to see the depth of detailing. The tender looks a little small for a Lehigh Valley T1, 2, etc. class. The tender coal pocket should be tall enough to nearly fill the cutouts on the cab roof overhang and the cistern should be nearly as tall. http://www.lvrr.com/index.php?album=%2FA-LV%20Steam%20Engines%2F&image=lv484.jpg There are more photos on this site and Chuck Youngkurth's "The Steam Era Of Lehigh Valley" is an excellent source for photos of this loco including the Bethlehem Steel six wheel tender "auxiliary engine" (aka booster) used on early models. LV split orders between Baldwin and ALCO. It's interesting to note that the front of a Baldwin T class resembles the Santa Fe loco while the ALCOs look like NYC Hudsons (or early Mohawks). In any event the LV tender is much taller and resembles a NYC Mohawk's with a slightly shorter coal pocket (or conversely a lengthened J1 tender). The trailing truck is also different. Santa Fe's truck has outside brake clevises and 50" dia. wheels while some of the the LV locos had 42 and 36" wheels in a truck frame similar to a Hudson (as well as many other four wheel trailing trucked locos) and some had both wheel sets the same diameter (depending on the builder). Ron might try the Hudson trailing truck instead as several LV locos had that style as well as booster engines. There is another small problem. The Santa Fe model is a late War version with 80" Baldwin Disk drivers and tapered rods. (All the SF 4-8-4s had 80" drivers). LV had standard rods and except for one group of five T3s (5125-29) which had 77" spoked drivers, the rest of the 4-8-4s had 70" (both spoked and Baldwin disks) - see the tables in the link below: http://www.steamlocomotive.com/northern/lv.shtml The best hope for this model is a Lehigh Valley Wartime T2b (ALCO 1943). Disregarding the driver size, the loco would have a modified Hudson tender, a Hudson trailing truck with booster, a modified boiler front with a smaller headlight, Baker valve gear, standard rods, a mud ring and ash pan (oil burners don't need them), NYC J style pump covers (many other roads used the same covers), A Hudson pilot, external steam chest exhaust pipes, a smaller sand dome, ALCO power reverse, boiler mounted bell, straight line catwalks, no overfire jets, and maybe a few more small details. If the T2 passenger engine is considered, a few inches on the drivers could be easily ignored and at least one had Baldwin disks as a main driver (the rest of the class had spoked drivers) so an all Baldwin disk is a possibility. Since they were built by Baldwin, the SF front and pilot, pump covers etc are similar. The sand dome and other items mentioned above should be added or changed. And of course, the tender. For a small tender, such as the one in the photo, the loco could be modified as a Central Of Georgia K class 4-8-4 but the tender cistern is too long and would have to be shortened. Again much modification as a coal burning locomotive would have to be done Most modern freight locomotives were built with smaller cisterns and larger coal pockets. Coaling facilities were expensive and unless built over the main line tracks, required a time consuming uncoupling or an engine change for recoaling. Lineside water tanks however was a cheaper alternative easily available for mainline trains. So less water and more coal was the design, though not as much as NYC and their water pans. Most railroads operated as a plant with water, coal and crew and engine changes at the most economical points with locomotives deigned to accommodate the system. Some passenger locomotives had larger tenders to eliminate water stops - a number of B&M's P2ds received tenders with longer cisterns and eliminated two water stops between Boston, Mass. and Portland Me. On the reverse side, the New Haven operated a number of Pacifics with unusually short tenders for their equally short commuter runs. Ron may have some of these parts which can be substituted and SSL&S did have a number of castings that could be used. Maybe River Raisin has some too. In all, it looks like a fine engine and I might order one. Perhaps it can be made available without the tender if it only comes with the one shown. You might suggest to Ron that a tender such as the one LV used might be a good product to develop and sell separate. I do not model the LV or RI or any real road and am reworking a couple of AF 4-8-4s to suit my road (The Whitefield RR). So a big engine with enough added and subtracted parts might fit the bill. I think a Semi-Vanderbilt tender would look good too. Just what I need - another d_ _ _ _d project!... Raleigh in Maine At 03:51 PM 8/11/2005, Tom Hawley wrote: >Ron Bashista of American Models sent me a picture of a model 4-8-4 with a >coal tender, painted Lehigh Valley. He said "Enclosed LV picture. > Please >comment what u think; this is the closest we can get to the prototype." > >You can see it at > >http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MKD7QqdBHYDXewZFCA4m0Ye02MRK_wC0b02uBWWPPCU2VMBB-ReGO3SewS_-UhBt-mm3YBpiGgkLfHYZB8ACaErwNDKNhSw/48403.jpg > >If that doesn't work, go to our files and look for 48403.jpg > >Tom Hawley -- Lansing Michigan > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >To REPLY to the list, use REPLY ALL; to reply to the sender, use >REPLY. 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