Ed; Some thoughts:
> The warehouse is just too darn big. For you, it sounds like it may be. It wasn't made for everyone's use. But there are plenty of S layouts that aren't shelf-style layouts. And on those layouts, anywhere that there is a curve that sends the train to the other end of the basement, there is room for the warehouse inside that curve. With some creativity, the scene can be worked into a 24" wide space and still have room for a mainline. The warehouse is not a large industry. It IS large enough to justify having two boxcars outside. In HO, the building is about the size of an average Walthers industrial building in HO. Maybe some S-scalers chose the wrong scale. I mean, it's a great scale to work in, but if someone can't even fit Greg's Grocery onto their layout, that's a big problem. > but I really can't see spending nearly $400 and cutting it up. Why not? You can still use all the stuff in the box. You'll get two for the price of one. I've had people tell me they can't cut it up, then tell me I should offer it as background flats instead. Apart from having a very long background flat, what's the difference? > That's why Design Preservation has done so well in HO. Basically, Greg's Grocery IS a DPM kit, but with added value. Most of DPM's early kits were storefronts and were very successful. It's a very common building. The difference is that Greg's contains detail parts that DPM doesn't, and DPM made thousands of their kits, while Greg's is a limited-production kit with a limited market. A product like that will never sell for under $100, unless it's made in China by slaves who make 37 cents an hour. > I'll bet you sell plenty of the welding shop. The welding shop was added to the catalog to help beef it up in between more detailed projects. It's not a big generator of income for me. It takes almost as long to write instructions, make signs, etc. for a kit that sells 100 units and a kit that sells 250 units, so a kit like the welding shop is not a great use of resources. But it is a cool building to have in the catalog for under 50 bucks. There are a lot of people in this hobby who will make up all kinds of excuses why they can't do something because they just don't have the guts to try it. I once operated a retail train store, and I can't count the times that I had people in there for hours (yes, hours) pouring over books and magazines, looking at other people's layouts and saying "Wow, I'd never have the time to do that", or "I could never have the skills to make it that detailed",or "I don't have room to build anything". They never gave themselves the chance. My exposure to S came through the guys in the S-Scale Workshop. http://www3.sympatico.ca/bobcatt/ssw/ This group should be an inspiration to us all. Unfortunately, I've learned since then that they are the exception, not the rule in S. The real problem for me, is that there just aren't enough MODELERS in S-scale. There are a lot of people collecting toys, trying to stick O-scale godola bodies on S-scale trucks, and passing the same old scratched up American Flyer back and forth on eBay. They're not the least bit interested in models. And the rest of you, Dog bless you, just aren't enough to make it possible for me to eat. And I gotta eat. And a kit like Greg's takes three or four months to create, so if I did it part-time there might be one a year. Anyway, I put quite a few of them out there, and one day I at least hope to see them on eBay selling for more than retail. :) Barry Silverthorn Grand River Models http://grandrivermodels.com/ --- In [email protected], Ed Kozlowsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It's certainly wise for you to go with what is in your best interest, but > perhaps I could tell you why I have not bought your kits. The first kit was of a town building with no use to railroad operation. My space is too limited to allow many non-railroad structures. Your grocery kit just doesn't fit into my scheme. The warehouse is just too darn big. A major portion of a layout would have to be designed around it. It would be most difficult to retrofit it into an existing layout. I could buy one and kitbash it, but I really can't see spending nearly $400 and cutting it up. The welding shop is the first kit with great promise for me. I will undoubtedly buy more than one. I'm sorry that just when you get into a size and subject that would be usefull to me, you are leaving S. I wish you would reconsider. Most S scale guys are used to turning one thing into another. It's much more practical to buy 2 or 3 reasonably priced (under > $100) smallish kits and combine them into something large, than to try and > make 2 or 3 small structures out of a large expensive kit. That's why Design Preservation has done so well in HO. I can't tell you how many of their kits and wall modules I've bashed. I'd love the same opportunity in S. I'll bet you sell plenty of the welding shop. > > > Ed Kozlowsky > Sanford, Maine > > --- On Tue, 10/7/08, Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > From: Barry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: {S-Scale List} Grand River Models switching to HO-scale only > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 3:52 PM > > > > > > > Hello, Group. > > I am announcing today that Kit #3, Forest City Welding will be the last > S-scale kit that I will > produce. Unfortunately, the response to the first two kits has not be > sufficient enough to > justify the time and effort required to design and manufacture them, and I > must go where > the market is. > > Greg's Grocery and Middleton Warehouse will still be available for now, > although I doubt > that I will produce as many as I originally planned. > > Sorry about this. In the past year I've discovered that S is a great scale to > model in. I only > wish that their were more modelers in S, instead of so many collectors. > > Barry Silverthorn > Grand River Models > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
