If I remember correct, the 5000-Class 2-10-4's and the 2900-Class 4-8-4's used the same boiler.
Bob Nicholson (Hafta' dig down deep and find my Book on them) --- In [email protected], "raisinone" <raisin...@...> wrote: > > Bill: > Good post... Most of the prototype railroads did try to out stupid > each other at one time or another. Seems to follow that we do the > same on occasion...! > > One minor correction, the PRR borrowed AT&SF 2-10-4's for use on > the "Atchison, Topeka & Ohio". These were 5000-series locomotives as > opposed to AM's 2900-series 4-8-4. They were used to haul heavy coal > and ore trains on the Sandusky line - not something suited to a 4-8- > 4. My understanding from different research is the PRR crews liked > them, referring to them as "the western engines", but they were much > different from the PRR 'J's. They had more trouble starting the > heavy trains but once rolling had more horsepower than a J1 to move > the train faster. The Pennsy classed then as J1(o.f.) for 'oil > fired'. > > Would have been a neat S scale locomotive, but I wouldn't hold my > breath on that anymore... > > Jim K. > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Bill Lane" <bill@> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Ed has Co-opted my "Mighty" phrase for his NYC affliction. I guess > that > > could be a slight form of flattery! Here in the company of friends > we all > > have our own flavor of what road we follow for whatever reason. For > most I > > would suspect it is because it was the road that they were closest > to when > > growing up, or became interested in trains. > > > > I will openly admit that the PRR was frugal at times and very > conservative > > as well. Many of the key locomotive classes were 20+ years old at a > time > > when other roads were still researching and experimenting with new > steam > > locomotives of their own. The PRR was forced to put stokers on their > > locomotives. It was cheaper and easier to put another fireman in > the cab. If > > he died or quit, get another one. A stoker was a capitol expense > that could > > break down or need maintenance. > > > > The PRR was constantly improving their locomotives with shopping > and newer > > appliances, but mostly they were still the same old 20+ year old > locomotives > > by the 40s & 50s. (That was my first awakening at age 16 looking > though > > Pennsy Power - realizing that the main PRR classes originated in > the 20s and > > 30s) The PRR T1 was probably the largest group of steam locos that > PRR > > built later in an attempt to refine and modernize their steam > power. Their > > success has been highly disputed on both sides. They were dropped > from the > > rosters rather early in comparison to the age of other classes. I > have heard > > that they sat dead for a few years until the trusts were paid for > as they > > could not scrap them before that. > > > > I am not overly familiar with what other roads did at that time, > (later 40s > > to early 50s) but I know N&W refused to give up the steam fight > until very > > late. Most of us know of the circumstances that came to be to > produce the > > PRR J1. I have wondered if the war restrictions were not in place > if the J1 > > is what would have gotten built instead of the PRR's steadfast self > reliance > > mentality. If I could wave a magic wand and see ANY PRR steam > locomotive > > alive and well in 2008, the J1 would not even be in my top 5. The > #1 would > > probably be the I1 followed by the M1 or K4. > > > > The Santa Fe locomotives (The 2900s?) that were leased on the PRR > are > > coincidentally the loco that American Models made. They WERE > supposedly > > liked by the PRR crews because they were significantly more modern > then many > > other PRR classes. There was quite the article on them in the PRR T > &HS > > Keystone a while back. > > > > So, MIGHTY is what we all think it is and get to shoot friendly > occasional > > jabs at each other.... > > > > Finally, the original premise I posted a few days back WAS - S Scale > > locomotives made in BRASS by mainstream builders for specific road > (IE, you > > could not correctly paint a K4 for Santa Fe) The USRA locos had > multiples > > correct roads with some detail changes so they DON'T count in my > premise. > > Now that I have clarified things a bit, I still stand that the PRR > has had > > more items specifically built in S brass then ANY other road. NYC, > C&O, and > > SP would be somewhere behind but in what order I don't know. (Think > of ALL > > the diesels with antennas installed by the builders before you say > I am > > wrong) > > > > Let the replies fly! And enough of ENOUGH MR Lane! 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