--- In [email protected], Christopher Borgmeyer <cborgmeyer@...> wrote:
>
> Don - no offense intended and I'm not trying to single you out but your
> statement strikes a chord with me as one I commonly hear and perfectly
> summarizes the current state of S. The "If you had been there when..."
> mentality, I believe, is what's holding us back. Too many, too often, are
> willing to accept anything in S just because it is... in S. They recite the
> old "If you had been there in the 60's", "If you had been there in the 70's",
> "If you had been there when Ron first introduced the AM boxcar" mantras.
> Well, we're not in the 50's, 60's or 70's. That AM stuff was decades ago.
> We can expect and demand better NOW. Why dwell on past lean times? When we
> dwell in the past we keep ourselves in the past. This is now. S scale is a
> major scale with outstanding modelers hungry for new products equal or better
> in quality to HO, N or Z. I understand where we came from and the need, at
> the time, for the whole "United" thing and all but that's years ago. Let's
> all start modeling like it's 2012.
>
> Chris Borgmeyer
>
>
> Re: New American Flyer S Scale models
> Posted by: "Don Thompson" don@... dont08901
> Sat Mar 3, 2012 3:18 am (PST)
>
> ... I think if you had modeled S Scale with us in the 70's, when our S Scale
> options were wooden reefer kits and converted flyer freight cars, you would
> have a different perspective on the importance of these latest developments
> by big "L".
> Don
>
I think Don is right. It's all about perspective. S Scale has come a long way
even since I got into it in 1985.
But, does everything in S HAVE to be of, say Smoky Mountain Model Works and
River Raisin, fidelity? (I have products from both, by the way.) Some seem to
be airing that opinion.
The answer is no.
SMMW and RR are the upper end of the S spectrum, are wonderful products, but by
no means represent the majority. AM is the middle, with SHS and SSA in the
upper middle range. These also happen to be where the majority of modelers
are. Some may say that Flyer is the bottom of the barrel, but I prefer to view
Flyer as "low resolution" model railroading.
Don't forget, HO, N, and O have all ranges of products, from the basic to the
extremely well detailed, along with modelers comfortable working within these
ranges. Not everybody in these scales is a strict prototype modeler, rivet
counter, nit-picker, whatever you want to call it. Many are simply average
modelers. These scales seem to have not been suffering damage by these "less
intensive" or "lower resolution" modelers.
By some folks definition, Brookes Stover can't be considered a "scale modeler."
After all, he uses those nasty deep flanges and evil code 148 rail on his
BC&G...
I'm just as happy with my AM U25B's as I am with my RR SD9. Same with my SMMW
boxcars and the AM boxcars. Also, my ancient Cleveland wood, cardstock and
cast metal 4-6-0 can hold its own against my SouthWind Models or Omnicon
2-8-0's.
And, I happen to think the recent Flyer 2-8-2's and 4-6-2's are the bees knees,
the Challengers, Y3's, U33C's and SD70ACe's a leap forward for S. Lionel
could've taken the easy way out and just started cranking out 21085 Pacific's
instead.
If the new Flyer bothers you, well, that's too bad.
Rich G(ajnak)
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