Dave,
What, a book on the "Zephyr Rocket"? Now that will be great. Yes, put me on the list. To date I have thought that train never got the attention it deserved. I always thought it would be fun to ride that train somewhere and dine in the parlor-diner-observation. Unfortunatley, by the time that might have been possible the train itself was pretty much a coach-only affair with a ton of baggage cars and a mail sorting car. In its prime, I recall the following consist: An E-7 or E-6, maybe an E-3 from the RI--can't recall for sure; a heavyweight-Harriman-roofed mail baggage car, a full baggage car, two streamlined coaches [seems they were always RI cars when I saw the train]; two streamstyled heavyweight Pullmans; and a streamlined palor-diner-observation. That made for a seven-car consist which the train consistently had back its prime. Its one E-unit for power made me weight the speed potential of that train vs that of the "Twin Cities Zephyr" with seven to eight cars and two E units. Tom ________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of David Engle [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 10:15 AM To: [email protected] Cc: Thomas, Lawrence Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Re: [RITSlist] Re: Pullman heavyweight lease cars? There were two cars, Zephyr Tower and Rocket Tower; also a Cedar Rapids and mate whose name I don;t have at the moment. We need to get you on board for the Zephyr Rocket book coming out later this year; Larry Thomas is the editor. DJE ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Baker<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} Re: [RITSlist] Re: Pullman heavyweight lease cars? Dave, Your reference to the Rock Island and its Pullmans brings up a childhood memory: As a young boy, I recall riding the Twin City Lines streetcars home from the school I attended in Minneapolis. On Friday afternoons I often rode the Minnehaha streetcar line from downtown. That line took me right past the Milwaukee Road depot on Washington Avenue where even before 3:00 p.m. the "Zephyr Rocket" stood in the depot with its consist ready for a departure at 5:00 p.m. As a kid, the first thing that surprised me was that every other day a CB&Q E-7 would be the power. Apparently, power assignments rotated, and on Friday an E-7 from the Q operated out of Minneapolis. I assume that an E-unit from the RI operated out of St. Louis on that same day. Back in the early Fifties the train must have been fairly well used by the traveling public including businessmen because it had two heavyweight Pullmans in its consist. Both cars had the so-called "streamstyled" rooflines and were painted silver and had artdeco lettering common to that on equipment used by the Q and the RI. Four Pullmans must have operated in the pool, two out of Minneapolis for St. Louis and two out of St. Louis for Minneapolis. You seem to have connections to people who know about the RI. Do you have any way to discover the names of the Pullman cars used on this run. I recall seeing each Friday the "streamstyled" Pullmans. They had "Pullman" centered on the letterboard and the names, as I recall, of the railroad operator in small print on the letterboard by the door on each end. Tom ________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of David Engle [[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 9:43 AM To: [email protected] Cc: S-Scale Group; PassengerCarList Moderator Subject: {S-Scale List} Re: [RITSlist] Re: Pullman heavyweight lease cars? Several+ years ago, NASG (www.nasg.org<http://www.nasg.org>) put out a pair of hwt sleepers, one is 10-1-2, the other 12-1. The accompanying sheet and dry transfer decals list Fort Clark and Fort Dodge as leased to RI. There are no RI listings for any 12-1s. Does this help any? DJE-KCMO ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve and Barb Hile<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:18 AM Subject: RE: [RITSlist] Re: Pullman heavyweight lease cars? The 12 Section – 1 Drawing Room cars were Pullman’s most common arrangement. There were 10 assigned to the Rock Island from plan 2410-F in 1921. The names – Acme, Amerene, Amesbury, Amidon, Angelo, Anita, Argo, Aspern, Avon and Callisto. Good luck, Steve ________________________________ From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of spookshow62 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [RITSlist] Re: Pullman heavyweight lease cars? Thanks a million Steve, that's pure gold! :-) A couple of follow-up questions - My 1932 timetable lists a 12-1 sleeper on the Mid-Continent Special (both eastbound and westbound). Any ideas on the names for any of those? As for the CRIP-owned cars (Club, Chair, Dining, Cafe-Parlor, Coach, etc), would these have been "named" cars as well? Or simply numbered? Thanks, -Mark --- In [email protected]<mailto:RITSlist%40yahoogroups.com>, "Steve and Barb Hile" <shile@...> wrote: > > Combining data from old Wayner's passenger car roster listings, Tom Madden's > Pullman Project Database and Kratville's Pullman Catalog, it appears that at > least some of the Pullman's assigned to Rock Island that were built in the > late 1920's were > > > > Buffet - Dormitory - Lounge cars (8) named with on-line city names such as > Pratt, Meade, Muscatine > > > > 14 Section Cars (12) built to plan 3958A cars named Prairie _________ (such > as City, Creek, Grove) > > > > 8 Section - 1 Drawing Room - 2 Compartment cars (20) to plan 3979A named > Rock ______ (such as Gap, Isle, Land, etc.) > > > > 10 Section - 1 Drawing Room - 2 Compartment cars (9) to plan 2585D named > Fort ________ (such as Dodge, Gibbons, Jay, etc.) > > > > 10 Section - 1 Drawing Room - 1 Compartment cars (15) to plan 3973A named > Island ________ (such as Home, Rest, Rose, etc.) > > > > 3 Compartment - 2 Drawing Room - Observation cars (10) to plan 3959D named > Golden _______ (such as Gate, Grove, State) > > > > Of course, baggage, coaches and diners were owned by and lettered for the > Rock Island. You will have to consult an official guide or extended public > time table to determine the actual accommodations available in a specific > train. > > > > Hope this is helpful. > > > > Regards, > > Steve Hile > > > > _____ > > From: [email protected]<mailto:RITSlist%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:RITSlist%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf > Of David Engle > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 10:14 AM > To: [email protected]<mailto:RITSlist%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: Re: [RITSlist] Pullman heavyweight lease cars?> > > > > > > I remember hearing of a Fort --- series of cars that may have been 8-1-3s > several years ago; I'll try to retrace it. May have been right here on this > forum. DJE > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: spookshow62 <mailto:spookshow@...> > > To: [email protected]<mailto:RITSlist%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 5:55 AM > > Subject: [RITSlist] Pullman heavyweight lease cars?> > > > > > > Does anyone know any of the names of the various heavyweight passenger cars > leased by Pullman to the CRI&P during the 20s and 30s? I'm particularly > interested in cars that would have been used in and out of Mpls/St.Paul (on > either the Short Line Express or Mid-Continent Special). > > Thanks, > -Mark >
