I agree with Earl... but let's keep one thing in mind - Lionel has had the 
AF/Gilbert line for... how long, now?  And still S scale remains in the back or 
at the bottom of the hobby when it comes to popularity.  What does this tell 
us?  What does it tell you?  What it tells me, when you consider that Lionel 
has not (until recently) had ANY interest in catering to the SCALE modeler, is 
that the product they have been offering, a product designed in the early 20th 
century, is not of interest to the new generation, therefore S scale has not 
grown in popularity.  Now, as narrow as you may think my thinking is... and 
maybe it is, I grant you... the fact that the largest group supporting S scale 
is well over 60 (or is it 70?) years of age proves my point.

So... I'm betting that IF MTH continues Don and company's commitment to quality 
and simple AF-to-scale convertability, and increases the production of existing 
models AND adds new models to the SHS line (both modern stuff and older, 
never-done-in-S-before models), we will most likely see a rise in popularity of 
S scale.  Otherwise, as Lionel's continued production of AF-like stuff has 
shown, it will remain stagnate.  So, an ancient product being produced a new, 
big name manufacturer is NOT going to make a difference... the quality of the 
PRODUCT is where the difference has to be made... or, in this case with MTH 
with the SHS line, the product has to at LEAST retain the already-existing 
quality AND CONVERTABILITY to continue to thrive.  It MUST remain convertable 
to scale, or it will not help the scale grow.

My local model railroad club, the Coastal Rail Buffs, has quite a few younger 
modelers under 20 years of age... the vast majority of which are 'realistic' 
modelers, and the vast majority are 'modern' modelers.... CSX, NS, etc.  Every 
one of them install Kadee couplers on their models and replace the plastic 
wheels with metal ones, etc... and a few even use Sergent Engineering couplers. 
 None of them, to my knowledge, even own any of the cheaper stuff that is 
available from Bachmann, LifeLike and Model Power or any older stuff from Tyco 
or AHM, etc.  One little guy, Dillon, has nothing but Genesis and Proto 2000 
models... and quite a few of them... more than me, in fact.  These youngsters 
are a sign of the times and an indicator (to the manufacturers) of what is 
wanted by the majority of the newcomers into the hobby.

But I digress... and hang up my horse flogger for the day.


John Degnan
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  Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} New Lionel + New MTH = Muddy Waters





  Regardless of what one thinks about it, it is going to be extremely 
interesting.  I am rather fascinated by what is going on even though I am not a 
likely candidate for buying much new stuff, especially the modern stuff.  Sure 
would like E6s or E7s from MTH or AM.

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