Call me stupid, but I don't recall anybody ever complaining about the centering, springing or anything else about the #5 or similars on the market. There must be a zillion or two of those on tracks! I mentioned that to Sam (?) a few years back when Peter Loeb contacted him. What was wrong with just making a slightly bigger version of the #5 for us--(maybe a couple of tweaks for appearance)? Heck we could have used the same box if necessary and saved everybody some money.

If John's centering is dependent on a bronze leaf spring, is it that much different than the #5?

Enough for now,--- but I was only kidding about calling me stupid--got enough people at home doing that! And no Dick, I've never been told that I "bob" longitudinally--it must be Hogan, McCarthy, Jackson or maybe even Nicholson!

Bob Werre


On 9/13/12 4:22 PM, [email protected] wrote:

Put me in the camp opposed to the 802. The #5 has plenty of slack action on a ling train without the #802's spring.

Fred T

Annoyed in Tennessee


    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* Richard Karnes <mailto:[email protected]>
    *To:* [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:58 PM
    *Subject:* {S-Scale List} Re: "Annoying slack action"
    Jim King wrote:

    "His design permits Kadee centering without the annoying slack
    action."

    Annoying??  One of my favorite memories is seeing NYC Mohawks
    (Mountains for you non-NYC fans) starting a 100-car train.  The
    loco would back up about a car length, bunching up slack.  Then it
    would pull forward, ever so slowly, taking out the slack car by
    car.  You could hear the clunk! clunk! clunk! as each coupler
    became fully extended and each car leapt into slow motion.  The
Mohawks' replacements, Alco FA/FB lash-ups, did the same thing. Thankfully, this is one of the aspects of running trains on my
    layout that I really enjoy -- starting a freight train and
    listening to the slack take-up as the locomotive gradually moved
    forward.

    Lest you rebut by observing that the Kadee 802/808 centering
    springs cause the caboose to constantly bob longitudinally, I
    refer you back to my oft-repeated (in print as well as via
    electrons) but little-heeded recommendation (supported by Kadee
    themselves!) to substitute a knuckle spring for the too-stiff
    centering spring.

    Dick Karnes



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