Hi,
Thank you for this feature. Been now using version of putty touch where it's
enabled and seems to be working nicely. Also the general application
usability now on touch phones (N8 in my case) is much better :)
- Jari
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Risto Avila <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Actually I've now managed to made it so that the screen rect stays the same
> and it's now scrollable in the split view. I also disabled the gestures and
> toolbar move but not the toolbar buttons.
>
> now it works like this:
> - tap it opens virtuakeyboard in split view mode.
> - close keyboard the terminal returns as it was. (windowd / full screen
> mode)
>
> It still needs the scrolling since now it scrolls down to the bottom of the
> terminal screen. I'll make it to follow the cursor. Most of the
> implementation is in the container but I had to add couple messages that
> come to appui to go through view to the container.
>
> Br,
> Risto
>
>
> On 15.12.2010 6:10, Petteri Kangaslampi wrote:
>
> Hi Risto,
>
> That sounds great, although as a QWERTY user again not something I'd need
> myself. :)
>
> For scrolling it would probably be better to add viewport support to the
> terminal control itself, so that the physical terminal size doesn't have to
> mathc the control. This would also be useful for locking the terminal size
> to say 80x24 even when the display is different, something that people have
> asked for before -- some programs don't really like odd and/or changing
> terminal sizes...
>
> You'd probably want to support per-pixel rather than per-character viewport
> positioning though to make scrolling smoother.
>
> A reasonable logic might be something like:
> - Full terminal view by default
> - Tap terminal to enable split view. Position terminal viewport initially
> to the half/quadrant of the terminal where the cursor is.
> - Drag terminal to move viewport
> - Maybe automatically move the viewport if the cursor leaves it?
> - Tap to leave split view
>
> I'm not sure what's the best functionality split between the container and
> the terminal control, and whether you'd want to keep other gestures active
> while in split view?
>
>
> Cheers,
> Petteri
>
> On 2010-12-11 04:13, Risto Avila wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've managed to get the split view working. It still needs a little work
> tough.
> The problem with the split view is that I dont want to resize the actual
> terminal to so small window so I decided to move the container up and keep
> it as same size. Now where the problem comes is that when you have just
> connected to ssh you might not have the cursor in bottom of the terminal. If
> that's the case the screen is just blank not showing anything. So some kind
> of inteligence is needed to scroll the container up & down. I'm going to
> make swipes to do this in the first round but I think in the end it needs
> something smoother.
>
> todo:
> 1. change the container move just to y axel now its x and y and its one
> pixel off
> 2. Disable swipes from the split view and assign up & down swipes
> scrolling
> 3. Disable long tap, short tap, double tap, toolbar move from split
> view
>
> BR,
> Risto
>
> PS: Actually this is a quite killer feature. At least when combined with
> irssi! :) irc.freenode.org #s2putty
>
> On 1.11.2010 4:51, Petteri Kangaslampi wrote:
>
> Hi Risto, all,
>
> I have also had QWERTY phones as the main target for PuTTY. There is some
> attempt in helping people with non-qwerty devices in the earlier versions
> too, such as the send grid for quick access to some functions, but that's a
> bit of an afterthought. I don't even have a single non-qwerty phone myself.
> :)
>
> Having said that, (clean) patches are always welcome, and the split view
> could potentially work at least to some extent if you just kept the terminal
> size as before but moved the part with the cursor in it to the other half of
> the display. There is still a possible problem with complex input from the
> FEP as Risto wrote -- most FEPs seem to assume all controls are effectively
> editors where you can go back and change already entered content, and that
> really doesn't work with a terminal...
>
> The best bet might be to create a better "Send line" feature for non-qwerty
> devices and make it easily accessible. I generally find it better to use
> "Send line" instead of writing directly to the terminal: Network lag doesn't
> affect editing, it's easier to review text and fix typos, and it results in
> fewer packets which reduces network traffic.
>
> After fighting with Avkon again for a couple of hours today I'd fully
> support anybody who wishes to write a new Qt-based UI. Just don't expect me
> to contribute much, PuTTY pretty much does what I need it to do already. :)
>
>
> Cheers,
> Petteri
>
> On 2010-10-27 16:30, Risto Avila wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> It would be much nicer to have a transparent input layout for vkb. Also at
> least I consider putty unusable with touch only device. It needs lots of
> workaround to even work at as much as it works now. E.G. the hacks in the
> feb buffer to "remember" what is writen until enter is pressed == BAD FEP
> code. I've tried to analyze the depths of FEP how it works and how it should
> work but there seems to be 0 examples 0 documentations so it's quite hard.
> Also space in the vkb is quite limited to show up even a small fraction of
> the terminal screen (in a readable format). I've like much much more about
> hw qwerty solution in a phone where I'll be using putty but I've still tried
> to make a quite simple UI for also non hw qwerty phones.
>
> What happens when QT comes? since it seems QT is right around a corner. Do
> we need a complete rewrite? at least for the UI? Should we do it now? Is it
> worth our time to spend developing old FEP. Since QT is supported by 5.0 and
> s^3 and will be in the future mostlikely our only platform to support.
>
> -Risto
>
> On 26.10.2010 10:13, Jari Airaksinen wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is there plans to update putty touch text input to support split view input
> introduced in S^3:
>
> http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Split_view_input_in_Symbian_C%2B%2B_applications
>
> Would be usefull to be able to see the lower part of terminal window while
> inputting text. For example in irssi use and I quess in many other shell
> usecases also.
>
> br
> Jari
>
>
>
>
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