On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:04 AM, ant elder <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Patrick thanks for replying. Some comments and questions inline. >
Thank you ant for checking in. :-) > > On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:15 PM, Patrick Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: >> I've been hesitant to push for graduation for the following reasons: >> >> 1) only one new committer has been added to the project since it's inception. > > Have there been contributors that you feel might have merited being > made a committer but weren't? What we're looking for is that the > podling is open to new people, from the Incubator policy page - "new > committers are admitted according to ASF practices" - > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Graduating+from+the+Incubator. > I'd turn that around and ask the community to ask themselves this question. Who do they want as a new committer? (keep in mind that discussion of personnel matters should typically be conducted on the private list). >> 2) there have only been two releases. The second of which required 5 >> release candidates. >> > > Many podlings only do one release before graduating and that often > requires a few RCs. Looking back in the archives at the S4 RC votes i > think they will have learnt a lot about how to do releases from all > the respins. Also, some of these haven't been helped but the vagaries > of the Incubator release voting which will be avoided after > graduation. Absolutely. As I mentioned I think the community is doing fine. I wouldn't stand in the way of graduation if others were interested, I just don't personally think they are ready for the reasons I stated - hence why I haven't pushed for graduation. > > How would you feel if the mentors were included in the graduated PMC > to help ensure future releases are done well and any potential new > committers get noticed, would that make graduation any easier? > Many of the projects I've mentored at Apache have included me on the graduated PMC. Some have not. I'm fine either way, in this case it might help... However -- my goal for graduation of a project is that they are mostly self sufficient wrt Apache process and community building. This allows me to step back, I can then focus on helping other, new projects through the incubation process. If I need to continue to mentor a project once it's graduated it sort of defeats the purpose of calling yourself a TLP from my perspective. i.e. you're ready to run your own project w/o much mentoring. Regards, Patrick
