I am a member of PUDEMO and SWAYOCO but I don't hate the NNLC because I love multiparty my comrade.
________________________________ From: gavtrevor <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Gavin Internet Revolutionary Are you a member of NNLC ? ----- Original Message ----- >From: Nkosinathi Mamba >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:20 PM >Subject: Re: [SSN Forum] Gavin Internet Revolutionary > > > > >Comrade Garvin you seem to think that the struggle is about the internet. Some >of the questions you ask are just meaningless. I am starting to think that >you are bored and have nothing to do. Some will talk, some will fight, some >will die and some will send emails. This is the struggle comrade. You are good >at sending emails, so do it comrade and maybe PUDEMO must have a pillar called >E-mail Struggle and you can lead it. Comrade Ray took a pillar of the movement >and implemented it and I have engaged him on this many times and he has told >me that he spoke to Masuku before starting this thing and Masuku told him to >go ahead. Now you are all barking at him. Jabavu has scars for this >revolution, he led the longest march of SWAYOCO from Mbabane to Manzini, he >led the longest hunger strike that defeated the 60 days detention without >trial. And you comrade? You ran away at the drop of a hat and now you are >shouting from the balcony in America. Just stay there and you will come and be a minister of e-mails when we finish. We don't need you to confuse us. Siya Embili. > > > >________________________________ >From: gavtrevor <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:59 AM >Subject: [SSN Forum] You cant be wrong to get right re Re: Viva Talks about >Talks > > >Comrade Nkosinati, I have read what you wrote below with interest and it may >turn out to be you that helps us unravel the story of talks about talks. I >take it you a member of PUDEMO and its youth Structures that is also held by >all the modus of the Movement and that participating in political events of >this manner was in your judgment a personal rather than an organizational >matter. This is how it should be. However, when it comes to the historical >matters, that for which we have paths and detailed agreements and a Leadership >charges with the minutiae and process : the set of tools that we manage ? > >Before I take opportunity to discuss what you wrote below please clarify the >this statement. I also will deal with what you wrote down as said by comrade >ray russon separately as I think I would prefer to deal with your direct >impute and ideas than the spurious accusatory dreams of an egotist. > > >You wrote "I have heard the story of a third force and it is starting to >make sensenow.".... Explain. > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: "Swaziland Solidarity Network Forum" ><[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 8:26 AM >Subject: [SSN Forum] Re: PUDEMO LEADS! Viva Talks about Talks > >Comrades, I am a studewnt leader in one of the institutions of higher >learning. I am a member of SWAYOCO, SNUS and Yuoth in Action > >Yes PUDEMO Leads and must do so in all fronts of our struggle. I am >worried that PUDEMO does not want to lead the negotiations path. >We the students and youth support the Talks about Talks. In fact we >attended the Convention of Civil Society and we are satisfied with >this process. I salute SNAT, the teachers union for supporting Talks >about Talks and for supporting the students movement. I can not accept >the argument that we are not ready to talk. There is never a right >time or wroong time to talk and that is why this process is called >Talks about Talks. For 30 years we have been struggling and we are >still not ready to talk. Siyadlala lapha. This is a very good time to >push for talks because the regime is on the ropes, the judicial >crises, education crises, financial crises, konkhe nje kuyabhedza. We >should take this opportunity to push the regime to a negotiated >settlement. It is the the finacnail crises of apartheid that forced >South Africa to the table isn't it comrades. The party that extends >the hand of peace in any conflict retains the moral high ground. When >opening the Conventin Comrade Ray said one important thing and I wrote >it down, "We must retain the moral high ground in our struggle and by >calling for talks we are telling the world that we care for this >country and for our people, History will judge all those who are not >here tonite". Mswati was invited and he boycotted the opening >ceremony. This showed the whole world that he doesn't care for the >country and his people. It is sad that he was joined by our beloved >PUDEMO in the process. I have heard the story of a third force and it >is starting to make sensenow. If Mswati plays the fool let us not be >fools also because when 2 fools argue you ca't see the difference. > >Embili Ngwane > > >On Nov 22, 9:29 am, mandisa dube <[email protected]> wrote: >> A strategic moment comes once in a while. Let us seize this moment. >> Political ideology unites people: confusion around ideology leads to >> confusion in the organisation and ultimately leads to confusion in the >> strategy and tactics. That is why today there is a confusion whether >> we a struggling for a constitutional monarchy or a democratic >> republic.The organisation is a weagon for the implementation of our >> ideology. >> >> Who is the enemy of the Swazi people? Doesn't a polico-military >> strategy require political and military structures? Preparedness is >> crucial. >> >> The feudal-lords and imperialists have monopoly over our land. A >> majority of the Swazi populace resides in the rural areas under the >> rule of the landlord. This makes the agrarian revolution a very >> crucial element of our struggle. Then a question comes; does the Mass >> Democratic Movement in Swaziland have a clear agrarian programme aimed >> at the total destruction of feudal relations? Feudalism is an >> impediment to socio-economic development everywhere. Forward to an >> Agrarian Guerilla-warfare! We must uproot the landlords from our >> communities. >> >> On the constitutional monarchy: i think mswati and his family's fate >> will be determined by the role they play now, that is, in the struggle >> for the democratisation of our beloved country. And the reality now is >> that the monarchy as an institution (chiefs included) is a stumbling >> bloc, it is trying to fight against social development: trying to >> fight against the laws of nature. Another question comes, what will be >> the role of the monarchy in a democratic Swaziland? Moreover, what is >> culture? >> >> On the liberatin front. Is the SUDF properly structured? Is it a >> democratic or bureaucratic front? The truth is, most constituances of >> the SUDF's affiliates doesn't have a clue of what's cooking in the >> liberation front, let alone its aims and objectives. In the branches >> of the trade unions (shopfloor level) for instance, the workers don't >> even know what the abriviation SUDF stands for. The liberation front >> is not democratic if it does not involve the rural communities. And >> these communities can only be mobilised through their day-to-day >> struggles in their respective areas. We must urgently build a >> campaigns and demands based rural people's movement. The >> worker-peasants alliance can be built through action only. >> >> That is why we view the current negotiations as premature. What is it >> that we have won on the battle-field? Are we negotiating for our >> freedom? Negotiating with who? A transition process must also be >> democratic. What transition that does not respect the participation of >> the communities. Community based organisations, the rural communities >> in particular, must be built and strengthened so that they play their >> rightful role in this process. They must speak for themselves. We >> can't decide on their behalf. >> >> PUDEMO is a vanguard of the national liberation struggle in Swaziland, >> and that must be seen in practice. No one should be allowed to spoil >> PUDEMO's political, not even its leadership. The workers are the main >> force of our struggle, and that too, must be seen in practice. >> >> Tinkhundla must be dismantled and an interim government put in place. >> Phansi nge royal aristocracy! Forward to a Democratic Republic! >> >> Viva PUDEMO! Viva SUDF! Viva TUCOSWA! Viva CPS! >> The people shall govern! The people shall share! Atibhunye tinsiba enhlolo! > >-- >NEW!!!! 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