Hi, On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 09:39:06AM -0800, William Stein wrote: > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Francesco Biscani <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I am not a Mathematica user, so I cannot really comment about Mathematica's > > flaws > > > > (Incidentally, I remember some years ago someone built a system to feed > > random input to CASes, with which he found many mathematical bugs in the big > > Ms. I wonder if he's still doing it?) > > > > That's [email protected], who is subscribed to this list, often posts about > Ukraine-related issues here, and has spoken at Sage Days in the past. > I really apprecaite that he put hard work into showing that these > black boxes shouldn't be trusted.
Great, i hope he also attacks Sage the same way, so that we get an hardened system, this is somehow dual to the unit tests we have right now. If some scripts are available somewhere, i would be glad to have a look and let them run for a while within some VM. Ciao, Thierry > William > > > But the fact that it is a black box should be a showstopper for any serious > > use in research. > > > > On 26 January 2016 at 22:05, rjf <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I think it is somewhat disheartening to see Mathematica accepted as > >> a program whose major or only flaw is that it is not open source. > >> > >> But maybe I didn't read all the comments. It seems that the > >> ycombinator contributors tend to rattle on a while. > >> RjF > >> > >> On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 at 5:49:13 AM UTC-8, bluescarni wrote: > >>> > >>> It's somewhat refreshing to see that the idea that one should not use > >>> black box software in science is finally starting to sink in. > >>> > >>> On 20 January 2016 at 13:30, William Stein <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> There's a big thread on Hacker News about math software in which Sage > >>>> is mentioned a few times: > >>>> > >>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10934666 > >>>> > >>>> I have the impression very few of the comments are from > >>>> mathematicians... Nonetheless, some people may find the comments > >>>> interesting, since they reflect how open source math and scientific > >>>> software such as Sage/Python/Sympy/Octave are (mis-)perceived by one > >>>> group of potential users. > >>>> > >>>> -- William > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "sage-devel" group. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > >>>> an email to [email protected]. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "sage-devel" group. > >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > >> email to [email protected]. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "sage-devel" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > William (http://wstein.org) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-devel" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
