On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 5:06:59 PM UTC, David Roe wrote: > > > > On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Dima Pasechnik <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 3:06:04 PM UTC, William wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Volker Braun <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I've had people at workshops trying to compile Sage (never mind using >>> > binaries) and they were SOL because their system bash was linked >>> against the >>> > wrong version of some library. If you can't compile it you surely >>> can't use >>> > it 6 times. >>> >>> David Roe had no trouble compiling Sage. It's wasteful to have to do >>> it many times repeatedly. >>> >> >> yet, David does not want to spend a bit of his time helping general Sage >> development. >> (we talk about perhaps 10 lines of code to change timestamps >> in the right place, where the most time would go to navigating to the >> right place...) >> > > Come on Dima. I admit that I haven't been working on Sage as much as I > used to, since I've been trying to write papers in order to find a job. > But the claim that I don't want to spend a bit of my time helping general > Sage development is completely ridiculous. I was involved in the work to > transition to git, in rewriting the doctest framework, implementing > coercion. And I'm about to organize a Sage Days (though perhaps you don't > count p-adic computation as "general" Sage development). Are you just > trying to take over for Nathann now that he's gone? >
I am sorry David, I did not mean to accuse you of anything, I overreacted to your "the recent changes to relocatability are really annoying" and "I've never been interested in working on Sage's build system, so I'm not going to be submitting a pull request on this issue." Let me buy you a drink next week --- you might know that I am based in Oxford, and will at some Sage days 71 talks at least. :-) Cheers, Dima http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/people/dmitrii.pasechnik/ > > >> This is fine. But then he has 0 right to request enhancements from >> volunteers, and you should not >> have any pity on him for him having to read some new docs and spend extra >> CPU cycles because >> of a very, very rare in practice case of use for Sage. >> > > I don't have an *expectation* that people to the work for me. But I think > I have a right to *request* enhancements. I think that people who aren't > involved in Sage at all have such a right. > > >> (actually, as Volker points out, a case that might not work in practice, >> as the server he's using is not powerful >> enough for 6 teams of people hacking on Sage at the same time...) >> > > William can speak more to the technical details for SMC, but the project > supposedly has 11GB of RAM, 6 cores (I don't know what kind) and 53GB of > disk space. We'll probably add more as people arrive for the workshop (I > think that many participants are SMC customers and might be able to > contribute). > > David > > >>> > Also, your use case is a bit weird; Parallel installations on the same >>> > server? >>> >>> It's David's use case for Sage Days 71. It seems to me like a >>> reasonable use case for development. >>> >>> > Still, not a problem with rpaths. >>> >>> Cool, in theory. >>> >>> > >>> > Finally, if you don't have enough memory to build the docs once then >>> you'll >>> > have a bad time running the tests when developing (you do run the >>> tests, >>> > right?). >>> >>> Sage is getting more and more unwieldy. I fear for its survival. >> >> >> if the best Sage devs like you don't want to make their hands dirty and >> work on the core Sage, including >> build system, packages, etc, it might start to collapse indeed. >> >> >>> >>> - William >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "sage-devel" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-devel" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
