On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Dima Pasechnik <dimp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 4:34:30 PM UTC+1, Jeroen Demeyer wrote:
>>
>> On 2016-04-16 17:29, Dima Pasechnik wrote:
>> > Any other largish Python-based  project that does these kind of tarballs
>> > these days?
>>
>> The Sage source tarball is a distribution containing many packages, it's
>> not a "Python project".
>
>
> whatever.

(1) Providing a source tarball from which one can build Sage without
internet access is a basic requirement from a company that provides
some funding for Sage development over the years.   We don't
contractually have to do it, but I think it is a good to be able to do
so. (2) It is also helpful when we have Sage days workshops at places
with crappy internet (frequent), since at least everybody can build
Sage locally from a single tarball.

 - William


>  Distributions nowadays do not carry megamegatarballs with them,
> either
> (think e.g. Haskell Platform, or Macaulay2)
> If a Sage package (say, sagenb) needs to do 'pip install Blah' it should
> just do it.
> As opposed to to putting Blah.tar.gz into upstream, creating a placeholder
> in build/pkgs/Blah,
> doing a vote on sage-devel on whether Blah might be included (oh, and if,
> oops, Blah has a wrong
> sort of license, it's a no-starter...), hearing much cringing on how this
> would bloat Sage even more,
> etc etc...
>
>>
>> > Of course it's hard to change this sort of attitude
>>
>> I don't think that there is a problem of attitude, we are most likely
>> just misunderstanding eachother.
>
>
> basically, I propose to reduce the over-packaging of dead-trivial things
> that
> can be pulled from the net with zero effort.
> You say it's no big deal, and I think you are plain wrong here.
>
>
>
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