On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 5:18:17 PM UTC+1, William wrote:
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Dima Pasechnik <dim...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > On Saturday, April 16, 2016 at 4:34:30 PM UTC+1, Jeroen Demeyer wrote: 
> >> 
> >> On 2016-04-16 17:29, Dima Pasechnik wrote: 
> >> > Any other largish Python-based  project that does these kind of 
> tarballs 
> >> > these days? 
> >> 
> >> The Sage source tarball is a distribution containing many packages, 
> it's 
> >> not a "Python project". 
> > 
> > 
> > whatever. 
>
> (1) Providing a source tarball from which one can build Sage without 
> internet access is a basic requirement from a company that provides 
> some funding for Sage development over the years.   We don't 
> contractually have to do it, but I think it is a good to be able to do 
> so. (2) It is also helpful when we have Sage days workshops at places 
> with crappy internet (frequent), since at least everybody can build 
> Sage locally from a single tarball. 
>

one can easily make a local pip repo containing all the needed extra 
things, if 
required. I mentioned this in my original post.
 

>
>  - William 
>
>
> >  Distributions nowadays do not carry megamegatarballs with them, 
> > either 
> > (think e.g. Haskell Platform, or Macaulay2) 
> > If a Sage package (say, sagenb) needs to do 'pip install Blah' it should 
> > just do it. 
> > As opposed to to putting Blah.tar.gz into upstream, creating a 
> placeholder 
> > in build/pkgs/Blah, 
> > doing a vote on sage-devel on whether Blah might be included (oh, and 
> if, 
> > oops, Blah has a wrong 
> > sort of license, it's a no-starter...), hearing much cringing on how 
> this 
> > would bloat Sage even more, 
> > etc etc... 
> > 
> >> 
> >> > Of course it's hard to change this sort of attitude 
> >> 
> >> I don't think that there is a problem of attitude, we are most likely 
> >> just misunderstanding eachother. 
> > 
> > 
> > basically, I propose to reduce the over-packaging of dead-trivial things 
> > that 
> > can be pulled from the net with zero effort. 
> > You say it's no big deal, and I think you are plain wrong here. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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