On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Bruno Grenet <bruno.gre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am in favor of keeping the wiki on wiki.sagemath.org. My two-cents is that
> we should either completely switch Sage's development to github (including
> the developers' wiki, etc.) or stay on foo.sagemath.org for various values
> of foo. It would be kind of (or super) weird to only have the wiki on
> github. As long as there is no consensus to move the development to github,
> the wiki should stay where it is. (Several developers, among whom some very
> prolific ones, have explicitly expressed concerns against moving to github.)

+1.  If anything wiki.sagemath.org should redirect to
trac.sagemath.org/wiki since Trac already provides a (generally nicer,
more powerful) wiki that integrates better with development ;)

> As for my personal opinion, I prefer the current situation than moving to
> github. First because I really like the current system of review and so on
> that is on trac (so I do not see any need to move to github), second due to
> the recent thread about ethical evaluation of repository services.

GitHub's issue tracker is abysmal for a project this size and complexity.

> Le 26/08/2016 à 23:02, William Stein a écrit :
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Johan S. H. Rosenkilde
>> <santaph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Would you have any interest in moving the wiki
>>>> to https://github.com/sagemath/sage/wiki ?
>>>
>>> What would be the advantage of doing so?
>>
>> - We don't have to worry about hosting it ourselves.
>> - It's hosted on a DDOS hardened globally distributed CDN instead of
>> one single VM.
>> - More standard markdown instead of a the moin moin wiki custom format.
>> - Revision history stored in git; you can easily clone the whole wiki,
>> work on it offline, and push it.
>> - Better antispammer measure and account management handled by Github.
>>
>>> What do the Sage developers even want to use the wiki for? Apart from
>>> SageDays organisation.
>>
>> - listing sage days
>> - there's a nice list of interact examples:
>> https://wiki.sagemath.org/interact
>>
>> Look at https://wiki.sagemath.org/RecentChanges to see what people
>> *do* use the wiki for.  E.g., there's been a lot of activity on a page
>> "Coding Theory in Sage: A collection of ideas and long-term goals for
>> Coding Theory in Sage, and the people interested." today by several
>> people.
>>
>> There's even a recently modified page here
>> https://wiki.sagemath.org/Debate/Collective%20infrastructure%20management
>> that has a bunch of arguments *against* moving hosting of sage-related
>> services from universities to third party cloud hosting services
>> (Github, Google, etc.).
>>
>>> At SageDays75, we just created (or rewrote)
>>> https://wiki.sagemath.org/Coding_Theory sub-page and propose it to be a
>>> place to discuss long-term goals for coding theory in Sage. Let's see
>>> how it works out.
>>
>> That's definitely a very good use of this wiki (or any other sage one).
>>
>>   -- William
>>
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