You can't reopen PRs, I think, you can certainly reopen issues.

No need to fill in the longish PR boilerplate, just remove it and write
what it does, mentioning #35626



On Fri, 16 Jun 2023, 09:08 chris wuthrich, <christian.wuthr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I replaced old tests with "random" by new ones with "random" (and forgot
> these two). Some other tests do check consistency.
>
> All that the function really does is converting a pari output back into a
> point on the elliptic curve. Therefore the test checks if pari runs without
> error and if the returned is a point on the curve. Checking if it is a
> generator modulo torsion would be checking if pari gets this right. Is that
> what we should do?
>
> But this discussing should happen on a pull request. I repeat my question:
> Do I open a new one or is the faulty initial one reopened? (Trac tickets
> used to be reopened, that is why I ask).
>
> Chris
>
> On Friday, 16 June 2023 at 01:39:46 UTC+1 tsc...@ucdavis.edu wrote:
>
>> I don't think it should be random; that has the chance of hiding actual
>> bugs. I think we should check that it belongs to a particular set
>> (specifically, the one from John's comment).
>>
>> Best,
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 15, 2023 at 5:15:52 AM UTC+9 chris wuthrich wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with John. Lines 2380 and 2388 need a "random output" for that
>>> reason, like the other calls of that function have already.
>>> Is this a new pull request or is the old #35626
>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/35626 opened again for
>>> corrections?
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 14 June 2023 at 17:49:21 UTC+1 John Cremona wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023 at 17:06, John Cremona <john.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The elliptic curve failure might be a consequence of the recently
>>>>> merged PR #35626 about using libpari to compute ranks and generators.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll take a look to at least see if the output you get is
>>>>> mathematically correct -- generators are not unique.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was right. This curve has rank 1 and torsion (Z/2Z)^2 so if P is one
>>>> generator (of infinte order) then there are 3 other, P+T for T a point of
>>>> order 2.  The one your are getting is one of these.
>>>>
>>>> So we conclude that we cannot reply on pari always returning the same
>>>> generator despite random seeds etc being fixed in doctests.  I don't know
>>>> why that is, but if it is the case then this (and other similar) doctests
>>>> will have to be written accordingly.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jun 2023, 17:00 Emmanuel Charpentier, <
>>>>> emanuel.c...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Debian testing running on core i7 + 16 GB RAM, upgrading
>>>>>> 10.1.beta2 to 10.1.beta3 and rinning ptestlong gives 3 permanent 
>>>>>> failures :
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 207.1
>>>>>> --random-seed=291812591553963182024849035945523427319
>>>>>> src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py # 1 doctest failed
>>>>>> sage -t --long --warn-long 207.1
>>>>>> --random-seed=291812591553963182024849035945523427319
>>>>>> src/sage/coding/linear_code.py # 2 doctests failed sage -t --long
>>>>>> --warn-long 207.1 --random-seed=291812591553963182024849035945523427319
>>>>>> src/sage/coding/code_constructions.py # 1 doctest failed
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last two have been already reported a few times, and seem
>>>>>> cosmetic. The first one is new and seemingly *not* cosmetic :
>>>>>> charpent@zen-book-flip:/usr/local/sage-10$ sage -t --long
>>>>>> --warn-long 207.1 --random-seed=291812591553963182024849035945523427319
>>>>>> src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py # 1 doctest failed
>>>>>> Running doctests with ID 2023-06-13-17-49-08-8dac2a23. Git branch: 
>>>>>> develop
>>>>>> Git ref: 10.1.beta0-453-g443b7549ad Running with
>>>>>> SAGE_LOCAL='/usr/local/sage-10/local' and
>>>>>> SAGE_VENV='/usr/local/sage-10/local/var/lib/sage/venv-python3.11' Using
>>>>>> --optional=debian,dot2tex,fricas,gap_jupyter,gap_packages,libsemigroups,msolve,pip,pysingular,sage,sage_spkg,singular_jupyter
>>>>>> Features to be detected:
>>>>>> 4ti2,benzene,bliss,buckygen,conway_polynomials,csdp,cvxopt,cvxopt,database_cremona_ellcurve,database_cremona_mini_ellcurve,database_cubic_hecke,database_jones_numfield,database_knotinfo,dvipng,fpylll,gfan,graphviz,imagemagick,ipython,jupymake,kenzo,latte_int,lrcalc_python,lrslib,mcqd,meataxe,mpmath,msolve,nauty,networkx,numpy,palp,pandoc,pdf2svg,pdftocairo,pexpect,phitigra,pillow,plantri,polytopes_db,polytopes_db_4d,pplpy,primecountpy,ptyprocess,pynormaliz,pyparsing,python_igraph,requests,rubiks,sage.combinat,sage.geometry.polyhedron,sage.graphs,sage.groups,sage.libs.gap,sage.libs.pari,sage.libs.singular,sage.misc.cython,sage.modules,sage.plot,sage.rings.finite_rings,sage.rings.function_field,sage.rings.number_field,sage.rings.padics,sage.rings.real_double,sage.rings.real_mpfr,sage.symbolic,sage_numerical_backends_coin,sagemath_doc_html,scipy,singular,sphinx,sympy,tdlib
>>>>>> Doctesting 1 file. sage -t --long --warn-long 207.1
>>>>>> --random-seed=291812591553963182024849035945523427319
>>>>>> src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py
>>>>>> ********************************************************************** 
>>>>>> File
>>>>>> "src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py", line 2380, in
>>>>>> sage.schemes.elliptic_curves.ell_rational_field.EllipticCurve_rational_field.?
>>>>>> Failed example: E.gens(use_database=False, 
>>>>>> algorithm="pari",pari_effort=4)
>>>>>> Expected: [(611429153205013185025/9492121848205441 :
>>>>>> 15118836457596902442737698070880/924793900700594415341761 : 1)] Got:
>>>>>> [(-38749202011873484470143/306317326339867638016 :
>>>>>> 678721624672968530804232808604865/5361142413550167706041194328064 : 1)]
>>>>>> ********************************************************************** 1
>>>>>> item had failures: 1 of 100 in
>>>>>> sage.schemes.elliptic_curves.ell_rational_field.EllipticCurve_rational_field.?
>>>>>> [896 tests, 1 failure, 241.41 s]
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> sage
>>>>>> -t --long --warn-long 207.1
>>>>>> --random-seed=291812591553963182024849035945523427319
>>>>>> src/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_rational_field.py # 1 doctest failed
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Total time for all tests: 251.7 seconds cpu time: 227.0 seconds 
>>>>>> cumulative
>>>>>> wall time: 241.4 seconds Features detected for doctesting:
>>>>>> sage.rings.finite_rings,sage.rings.number_field
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> Le dimanche 11 juin 2023 à 13:14:49 UTC+2, Volker Braun a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the "develop"
>>>>>>> git branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source tarball is at
>>>>>>> http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 443b7549ad3 (tag: 10.1.beta3, github/develop) Updated SageMath
>>>>>>> version to 10.1.beta3
>>>>>>> 464d3d20aaa gh-35738: configure: Remove stray `stdin.info` file
>>>>>>> created in test
>>>>>>> d27b19a4efc gh-35737: build/pkgs/maxima: Fix parallel build
>>>>>>> 202ccd7ea08 gh-35733: more uses of yield from
>>>>>>> aba52d4c06a gh-35731: build/pkgs/pyflakes: Remove
>>>>>>> 5b446283d86 gh-35723: some pep8 cleanup in rigged-configurations
>>>>>>> e90d6be7a5c gh-35722: cython-lint for imports in libs/
>>>>>>> 9c83f604a46 gh-35721: cython-lint for imports in rings (mostly in
>>>>>>> padics)
>>>>>>> 5c9ee290848 gh-35720: fix the linter and add more checks
>>>>>>> 6d1cb7e3323 gh-35718: `sage.graphs`: More modularization
>>>>>>> a2e4cab86c8 gh-35714: provide matrix_symbolic_sparse class
>>>>>>> 41aa6c290de gh-35713: update symengine(_py) to versions 0.10.0 and
>>>>>>> 0.10.1
>>>>>>> acac1e60e63 gh-35712: fix pep8 E251 in rings/
>>>>>>> 34b4234573c gh-35711: fix all pep8 E251 in combinat
>>>>>>> 0a929ff9da9 gh-35710: fix pep8 E251 in categories, coding, crypto,
>>>>>>> logic
>>>>>>> 6a142317110 gh-35709: some cython-linting in quadratic forms
>>>>>>> d7bb52abf83 gh-35702: GAP: switch some code to use official libgap
>>>>>>> APIs
>>>>>>> afc9232bff4 gh-35692: ⬆️ Bump myrotvorets/set-commit-status-action
>>>>>>> from 1.1.6 to 1.1.7
>>>>>>> 6ca634ae1c0 gh-35671: Upgrade networkx to 3.1, igraph/python_igraph
>>>>>>> to 0.10.4
>>>>>>> 7e0eb1c9219 gh-35666: remove obsolete .zenodo.json* files, update
>>>>>>> CITATION.cff to fix zenodo/DOI
>>>>>>> 86d2be056bf gh-35626: Update  the rank function of elliptic curves
>>>>>>> to use ellrank in pari
>>>>>>> fe931a790a8 gh-35614: allow non-minimal equation for padic heights
>>>>>>> 5343f2e7ea9 gh-35494: avoid computation of Conway polynomials when
>>>>>>> comparing elliptic-curve morphisms
>>>>>>> 2f426a11f4c (tag: 10.1.beta2) Updated SageMath version to 10.1.beta2
>>>>>>>
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