Sorry, I meant 79.0.0 El viernes, 5 de septiembre de 2025 a las 0:29:57 UTC+2, Enrique Artal escribió:
> If it helps till 78.1.1 jupyter kernel is built and sagelib is not > completely rebuil; in 79.0.1 both problems appear. Maybe looking at the > changelog someone can figure out what can be changed in sagemath. > It is just an opinion from a person having programmer skills quite far > from all of you, but it may be interesting to be able to build sage with > meson and classical tools, at least for a while. > Enrique. > El viernes, 5 de septiembre de 2025 a las 0:12:15 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik > escribió: > >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2025 at 4:34 PM Enrique Artal <enriqu...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > I understand your point and unfortunately I have no solution so far. >> But I tried to use #40700, with small issues using sage -n jupyterlab and >> with failures using system jupyter. >> > On the other side, I open #40742, and while the branch in github uses >> the updated version of setuptools, in my machine I downgraded it because >> after changing any file because of mistakes and rebuilding the compiling >> time was OK, rebuilding sagelib always would be a nightmare. >> > Writing this I wonder if it is a good idea to use intermediate versions >> of setuptools to track the changes that cause the mulfunction. >> >> I don't think there is any malfunction on the setuptools side - it's >> some obsolete code in Sage that fails to work with modern setuptools. >> >> Anyway, I hope https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/39030 is merged >> soon, >> and then you will get working jupyter. >> >> Dima >> >> > Enrique.. >> > >> > El jueves, 4 de septiembre de 2025 a las 17:34:32 UTC+2, Dima Pasechnik >> escribió: >> >> >> >> On Wed, Sep 3, 2025 at 6:34 PM Kwankyu Lee <ekwa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > On Wednesday, September 3, 2025 at 8:55:01 PM UTC+9 >> enriqu...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> > >> >> > Besides of these discussion, I would like to point out what happens >> with the last version of setuptools. With 73.0.1, the kernel of jupyter is >> correctly installed. For me, by linking this kernel to a place where system >> jupyter can find it, I can use it with no problem with system jupyterlab. >> Another issue of the new version of setuptools is that sagelib is rebuilt >> completely each time. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Right. The current discussion around Dima's solution is off the >> right path. >> >> >> >> I've opened >> >> https://github.com/jupyter/jupyter_client/issues/1070 >> >> to ask why they copy too much data, and why they don't do the right >> >> thing with `--sys-prefix` rather than `--user`. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > Since we know that downgrading setuptools to the previous version >> solves these serious regressions, we should just >> >> > >> >> > (1) downgrade the setuptools for now. This is easy. >> >> >> >> No, why? there is no urgency to do this last resort option for the >> >> beta versions - unless someone has a habit of doing real exploratory >> >> maths work using a Sage beta, >> >> something which isn't a good idea. >> >> Besides, `jupyter kernelspec install` works, it just consumes 2Gb more >> >> disk space than needed, so it's not a huge deal in 2025. >> >> >> >> > (2) investigate why the new setuptools introduces regressions, with >> time. This is difficult, but is not urgent. >> >> >> >> upgrading setuptools has a clear priority, as it is needed by a host >> >> of other package upgrades, supporting Python 3.14, etc. >> >> >> >> > >> >> > I guess that (2) is less difficult and safer than trying to replace >> the "old" time-tested tools with something new. >> >> >> >> if you don't have anyone who knows the old code and is willing to >> >> debug it, it's very natural to look for a shortcut, using >> >> tools which were nonexistent, or in development, while the >> >> > >> >> > Regarding sage development, we should be conservative than >> revolutionary, for stability. >> >> For stability, we need to be at the same toolchain as the rest of the >> >> scientific Python universe, and not falling behind. >> >> If you want to have sagemath in the Linux distros such as arch and >> >> gentoo, you need to use their toolchain, in particular setptools >> >> version 80 or newer. >> >> >> >> Dima >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "sage-release" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >> an email to sage-release...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/c8ce24b4-0d35-4807-a0fe-11bda4d11782n%40googlegroups.com. >> >> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-release+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/2bebd5f9-df56-457a-9b4e-3a946db23ba5n%40googlegroups.com.
