USA sy yakin tdk bakal gagal bayar utang.. cadangan emas & oilnya sangat luar biasa jlhnya ...tp blm dikeluarkan krn kata sumber disana "blm gawat" :) ... bisa jg udh dijual pelan2 tp diam2...
On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 8:54 PM, D ryan Dipo <[email protected]> wrote: > ** > > > Nah iya setuju sekali Pak, justru itu, maksud saya kan US Government lagi > kena kasus hampir default, yang artinya cashflow pemerintah lagi gak > mencukupi untuk membayar hutang. Logikanya adalah, bagaimana bisa pemerintah > yang sedang kacau cashflownya meluncurkan fiscal policy baru yang > notabenenya akan memunculkan kebutuhan dana baru yang belum dipersiapkan > sebelumnya. Makanya, untuk terjadinya fiscal policy yang signifikan, > persoalan dana pemerintah harus diselesaikan terlebih dahulu. > > Pendapat Bapak untuk menaikkan pajak orang kaya mungkin sebagai salah satu > jalan keluar, tapi biasanya penerimaan pajak negara itu kecil Pak, gak bisa > nutupin seluruh pengeluarannya. Bahkan di saat terjadi perang di europe > tahun 1900an, dimana pemerintah harus menyiapkan banyak biaya perang, > penerimaan pajak hanyalah kurang dari 10% spending negara tersebut, sisanya > dari bond issue. jadi menurut saya menaikkan pajak orang kaya kurang efektif > pada saat seperti ini. > > Seperti yang bernanke bilang di jackson hole beberapa saat yang lalu, > indikator saving masyarakat mencapai titik tertinggi, yang artinya > masyarakat amerika sekarang sedang memperbaiki balance sheet nya yang sempat > kacau balau karena krisis 2008, setelah itu baru mereka bisa melakukan > consumption. Nah yang ini mungkin lorong gelap yang panjang yang harus > dilalui amerika sebelum bisa bangkit dengan kecepatan yang lumayan, menunggu > masyarakat memperbaiki balance sheet mereka supaya dapat memulai spending. > Tugas pemerintah amerika? tinggal mengawasi pertumbuhan dan situasi ekonomi > agar balance sheet yang sedang diperbaiki tersebut, tidak jatuh lagi > nilainya. > > Regards, > Daymas Ryan Dipo > ------------------------------ > *Dari:* dario kurniawan <[email protected]> > *Kepada:* [email protected] > *Dikirim:* Jumat, 9 September 2011 13:07 > > *Judul:* Re: Bls: [saham] Obama Offers $447 Billion Spending, Tax-Cut Jobs > Plan > > > kira2 nalar saya cerita nya masyarakat begini..kebijakan fiskal itu urusan > pemerintah, sedang the fed yg disuruh mikir tentang moneter..jadi obama > bikin kebijakan naikkan spending buat masyarakat berkonsumsi, pemerintah mau > belanja, misal bikin jembatan, bikin gedung2, dsb...obama bukan cut spending > tapi cut tax supaya tidak membebani masyarakat dulu..di satu sisi obama cut > tax, di sisi lain dia uber pajak mungkin dari para orang kaya di sana atau > dari mana sajalah, dari hasil pajak tadi pemerintah belanja buat mendorong > kegiatan konsumsi, dan dari sanalah diharapkan mulai muncul perbaikan > kualitas hidup rakyat US. > > Tapi opini saya ekonomi US apakah akan membaik secepat itu ? saya liatnya > setidaknya mulai ada kestabilan, tapi outlook ekonomi US masih harus > melewati lorong gelap yang panjang...bukannya apa2 hutang amerika sudah > dipertanyakan...logikanya misalkan PDB amerika 100, tapi hutangnya juga 100, > ini bagaimana bisa ada profit buat negara ? Mau cetak duit ? silakan saja > cetak duit krn memang hak mereka..tapi nilainya dolar gimana jadinya ? pasti > babak belur..jadi ke depan jangan aneh kalo dolar bisa ke 3000-4000 > rupiah...ceritanya panjang deh...dunia ke depannya masih bisa bubble lagi > kalo saya liat secara di atas kertas...gimana bisa bubble ? beneran panjang > ceritanya :D > > * > DarioAmran* > > --- Pada *Jum, 9/9/11, [email protected] > <[email protected]>*menulis: > > > Dari: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Judul: Re: Bls: [saham] Obama Offers $447 Billion Spending, Tax-Cut Jobs > Plan > Kepada: [email protected] > Tanggal: Jumat, 9 September, 2011, 8:56 AM > > > Setuju pak, untuk menjaga demand side supaya titik ekuilibriumnya gak > berubah. Jadi yang dibutuhkan bukan quantitative easing, tapi fiscal policy > dari us government seperti social security agar masyarakan bisa menambah > spending. Masalahnya, us government sendiri lg cut spending gara gara kasus > hutang, jadi gimana dia bisa bikin fiscal policy? > Sent from my BlackBerry® > powered by Sinyal Kuat INDOSAT > ------------------------------ > *From: * dario kurniawan <[email protected]> > *Sender: * [email protected] > *Date: *Fri, 9 Sep 2011 09:51:31 +0800 (SGT) > *To: *<[email protected]> > *ReplyTo: * [email protected] > *Subject: *Bls: [saham] Obama Offers $447 Billion Spending, Tax-Cut Jobs > Plan > > > yang paling manjur kalau negara dalam keadaan krisis adalah menjaga > spending masyarakat...bukan perusahaan...beri masyarakat uang (kasih > kerjaan) supaya mereka bisa spending..beli sembako, beli baju, dsb..nanti > pelan2 pendapatan negara dari pajak akan bertambah dari masyarakat itu > sendiri... > > saya inget waktu obama terpilih jadi presiden, ada analis dari perguruan > tinggi disana bilang kalo obama terpilih tujuan negara akan jelas karena > kebijakannya bersifat damai dengan siapapun.. > > * > DarioAmran* > > --- Pada *Jum, 9/9/11, Bagya <[email protected]>* menulis: > > > Dari: Bagya <[email protected]> > Judul: [saham] Obama Offers $447 Billion Spending, Tax-Cut Jobs Plan > Kepada: [email protected] > Tanggal: Jumat, 9 September, 2011, 8:37 AM > > Salam ijo tebal! > > > > Sept. 8 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama called on Congress to pass a > jobs plan that would inject $447 billion into the economy through > infrastructure spending, subsidies to local governments to stem teacher > layoffs and cutting in half the payroll taxes paid by workers and > small-business owners. > > The package is heavily geared toward tax cuts, which account for more than > half the dollar value of the stimulus, and administration officials said > they believe that will have the greatest appeal to Republican members of > Congress. > > “The question is whether, in the face of an ongoing national crisis, we can > stop the political circus and actually do something to help the economy,” > Obama told a joint session of Congress tonight. > > A $105 billion infrastructure proposal includes money for school > modernization, transportation projects and rehabilitation of vacant > properties. Most of the economic impact from the infrastructure spending > would be next year, though some of it would come in 2013, an administration > official said. > > “Ultimately, our recovery will be driven not by Washington, but by our > businesses and workers,” the president said. “But we can help. We can make a > difference.” > > The administration estimated that $35 billion it’s seeking in direct aid to > state and local governments to stem layoffs of educators and emergency > personnel would save the jobs of 280,000 teachers, according to a White > House fact sheet. > > Payroll Tax Cuts > > The centerpiece of the plan is cuts in payroll taxes, which cover the first > $106,800 in earnings and are evenly split between employers and employees. > Obama would reduce the portion paid by workers next year to 3.1 percent from > 4.2 percent now. The rate was cut 2 percentage points under the terms of a > tax deal reached last year. That cut is set to expire Dec. 31, which would > push it back to 6.2 percent. > > The White House also would use temporary payroll tax cuts next year to > offer incentives for new hiring and assist small businesses. > > Businesses would get the same 3.1-point reduction on taxes they pay on the > first $5 million of their payroll, a limit that skews the benefit toward > smaller firms. The full 6.2 percent employer contribution would be waived on > the first $50 million net increase in a company’s payroll. > > The proposal includes additional tax credits for hiring veterans and > workers who have been unemployed more than six months. The administration > also wants to make it illegal for employers to discriminate against > applicants who are unemployed. > > Boost to Growth > > The fiscal boost from the jobs package next year would be larger than in > the first year of the 2009 economic stimulus, said Mark Zandi, chief > economist at Moody’s Analytics Inc. > > Zandi, who was briefed on the plan before the president’s speech, forecast > passage of the entire jobs package would add 2 percentage points to economic > growth next year and bring down the unemployment rate by 1 percentage point > compared with current policy, under which a temporary payroll tax cut and an > extended unemployment benefits both expire Dec. 31. > > With his address to a rare joint session of Congress on jobs, the top > concern of voters as the 2012 election campaign gets under way, Obama is > seeking to frame choices for voters as much as present a plan for lawmakers. > > > He proposed the stimulus plan in the House chamber, where the Republican > majority has signaled opposition to new spending. As job growth has stalled > and the unemployment rate hovers above 9 percent, Obama’s job-approval > ratings are scraping new lows as public doubts about his stewardship of the > economy rise. > > Urging Action > > Six times in the 32-minute speech Obama urged Congress to pass his proposal > “right away.” > > In a direct challenge to Republican law makers, Obama said, “For everyone > who speaks so passionately about making life easier for ‘job creators,’ this > plan is for you.” > > “I know some of you have sworn oaths to never raise any taxes on anyone for > as long as you live,” he said. “Now is not the time to carve out an > exception and raise middle-class taxes, which is why you should pass this > bill right away.” > > He said he intends to take his message “to every corner of this country.” > Tomorrow he will speak in Richmond, Virginia, in the district represented by > House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, a Republican who has been one of Obama’s > chief critics in the chamber. Next week he’ll go to Columbus, Ohio. > > House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said Obama’s plans “merit > consideration. We hope he gives serious consideration to our ideas as well.” > > > Covering Cost > > Obama said the cost of the initiative will be covered and that on Sept. 19 > he will propose almost $2 trillion in deficit reductions, including cutting > Medicare costs, to the special 12- member congressional committee charged > with coming up a long- term deficit plan. > > In another step aimed at the long-term jobless, Obama proposed granting > states authority to pay unemployment benefits to people who have been > jobless more than six months while they train for jobs at businesses at no > cost to the employer for up to eight weeks. > > States also would be able to use unemployment insurance funds to make up > for wages lost by workers whose hours were cut back in lieu of a layoff and > for workers 50 and older who took a lower-paying job after a layoff. > > The White House wants to incorporate the changes in the unemployment > insurance program along with a one-year continuation of extended > unemployment benefits due to expire Dec. 31. The extended benefits cover > jobless workers for up to 99 weeks. > > The administration considered and rejected a temporary repatriation holiday > that would allow companies to return overseas profits without paying > corporate income taxes on the proceeds. The White House concluded that it > would not have as great an impact on job growth as the hiring incentives it > included, said an administration official. > > To contact the reporter on this story: Mike Dorning in Washington D.C. at > [email protected]<http://id.mc779.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>. > > To contact the editor responsible for this story: Mark Silva at > [email protected]<http://id.mc779.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>. > > === > Sent from Bloomberg for Blackberry. 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